Smoking at work........

[adrianh]

@DaveS - ah, cause, effect and the misuse of statistics.

I took a sample of a boy at age 1 and he has not died. Then I took millions of samples of the person over the course of 50 years and he has not died. Given that I have never sampled him being dead it proves that he is immortal.......

hmmm....

[Dave S]

Yeah, I know it's a misuse of stats, but it is fun to see just how much is blamed on smoking, even though the intelligence tells us otherwise.

[tec0]

Congrates on managing to give up on the addiction and the habit of smoking(will power you have), but I really think you should do yourself a favour, and give up on the habit of having such thoughts as above. Your thoughts shape your world, and if your are letting your outside reality determine your thoughts, it is time to try something new. Choose your thoughts, dont have thoughts based on what you see in the world, or what you might have been conditioned to think the world is. You already thinking c@#p thoughts about life, just try thinking different thoughts about life and see what happens to your world, what do you have to lose.

Sadly one cannot run from the outside world. Harvesting farts will never replace petrol and life will always be a lost cause... I say this because it is the truth. We live in a world where a dyslexic have to work 100 times as harder just because there bosses are begging for an excuse to fire them! And they have to study a 100 times harder just to get half of the marks.

I am not asking for easy tests mind you... All I ask is that they will actually ask us the stuff that we studied and not crap that they found on the internet. But f*ck it... I mean really I have seen the worst this world had to offer. I have experienced things that I wouldn't wish on satan.

But life just continues to hand me more excrement and expect me to accept it as if it is a f*cking happy meal. And I am not a bad person certainly not evil. I do my bit to help others.

But it seems to me that the humans will become lizards. They do not care for anyone but themselves and will actually oppress others. I know girls that couldn't get jobs because they where unattractive not fat mind you just not cosmetically perfect.

They end up becoming some 50 year old man's plaything... Now people want to get all high and mighty just because someone smokes!!! Really? The worst crime in the world is smoking?

Of all the horrible immoral crap that hangs over humanity... smoking is the one unforgivable act...

Well I f*cking give-up...

[Blurock]

Hang in there tec0. I think you are taking it far too seriously. We are all looking at the problem from different angles. I think we ALL agree that smoking is harmful, but we differ to the extent that it is harmful.

Yes, there are other sins, drugs, prostitution, various crime, but that was not the topic, the topic was smoking.
Yes, there are bosses that apply unfair labour practices, but that was also not the issue. The issue was smoking at work or not.

People can still go and make their dampie, and maybe one of these days they can pull a skyf too. That is really their own choice, although we all know how harmful that can be.

Now do we really have to cut each other's throats because we are so fixed in our views that we can not see the problem from another perspective?

[pmbguy]

I still think if you are a business owner crying about smoking and no smoking then I would imagine that you don't really care for the product and or service. Because if product and service was a priority then the last thing on your mind would be smoking. I say this because you get good and bad employees that smoke and good and bad employees that are none smokers. So my concern would be "how do I get rid of the bad employees" Not cry about who is smoking!

I agree with you here

Do you think this can work?

A Good size Proper Smoking Area, outside of public view, in or near the business building.
Open to all but children and clients.

Cosy Couches, Tea facilities, Internet (Face book, networked for games). Extraction fans and well controlled Circulation.
Can even make it outdoors close to the building, Kio pond, the whole thing

The smokers (And others if they wish) build, with their own money, the smoking room.
Circulation is not rocket science and the construction for the room can be cheap.

If in a room: Proper circulation greatly reduces ambient smoke. If done properly, there in less first and second hand smoke being inhaled by everybody in the room. Employees that smoke will smell less of smoke than they would if they were smoking in a normal room or building. Most non-smokers are not greatly bothered by the smoke smell that remains after proper circulation reduces it, especially compared to a normal room or building.

Hey, not all non-smokers...

(E.g. of schedule. Normal use. Before 8:00, tea, lunch, 5min each on a single rotation 3:30-5:00 and 5++)

In any business people will naturally push boundaries, just have a strict but fair policy concerning the use of the room.

The room should function as a general room for anything, it just happens to be a smoking area.

http://www.ryandeyer.com/cigar-room/

http://www.ehow.com/how_6017624_design-ventilated-smoking-room.html

[pmbguy]

+ A twin facility for non-smokers

[Dave S]

That's a brilliant idea, but it has its flaws, the smokers must still leave their workplace to have a puff... In the office where I work (with two others) we all smoke, so we smoke whilst we are working. Its not going to work the same for every organisation, with big offices mixed with both smokers and non-smokers. But I find that I actually smoke less when I'm at work, simply because there are no restrictions on when I can smoke. Fortunately our offices are well ventilated and we have those funky automated ionisers (or whatever they're called) that help to keep odours at bay. In contrast, at home I don't smoke in the house, as the Children and the Dogs don't smoke, but even if they did, I don't have ionisers and I don't want to stink up the place anyway, but I find I smoke a bit more than normal... Why would this be?

[vieome]

Well I f*cking give-up...

http://www.lifewithoutlimbs.org/about-nick/

It is not the challenges that life presents you , it is how you use your mind to rise above the challenges.

[tec0]

I agree with you here

Do you think this can work?

A Good size Proper Smoking Area, outside of public view, in or near the business building.
Open to all but children and clients.

Cosy Couches, Tea facilities, Internet (Face book, networked for games). Extraction fans and well controlled Circulation.
Can even make it outdoors close to the building, Kio pond, the whole thing

The smokers (And others if they wish) build, with their own money, the smoking room.
Circulation is not rocket science and the construction for the room can be cheap.

If in a room: Proper circulation greatly reduces ambient smoke. If done properly, there in less first and second hand smoke being inhaled by everybody in the room. Employees that smoke will smell less of smoke than they would if they were smoking in a normal room or building. Most non-smokers are not greatly bothered by the smoke smell that remains after proper circulation reduces it, especially compared to a normal room or building.

Hey, not all non-smokers...

(E.g. of schedule. Normal use. Before 8:00, tea, lunch, 5min each on a single rotation 3:30-5:00 and 5++)

In any business people will naturally push boundaries, just have a strict but fair policy concerning the use of the room.

The room should function as a general room for anything, it just happens to be a smoking area.

http://www.ryandeyer.com/cigar-room/

http://www.ehow.com/how_6017624_desi...king-room.html

Consider the following. There are products smokers can use in office spaces that has no harmful effects on other people in the same area. So why not just ask smokers to make use of this existing technology?

[adrianh]

tec0 - you must be,talking about those nicotine stickers that people stick ontheir arms, legs, tonsils and foreheads.

[tec0]

tec0 - you must be,talking about those nicotine stickers that people stick ontheir arms, legs, tonsils and foreheads.

nope

[adrianh]

I think that all smokers should walk around with a nicotine sticker on their forehead with the wording: "I are a murderer" printed on it. Then if anybody asks they could explain that they are willfully killing themselves and the people around them.

[Citizen X]

nope

In South Africa, a non defunct brand Snuss Stuyvesant(BAT): It was a chewing tabacco in a puch, which released nicotine. It ws built on the assumption that initially tabacco was only enjoyed by mostly chewing. It had a nice fancy pouch too! So you were inducging but dirupting nothing! You could enjoy do it while you work! It's still available in other countries under that same brand, not sure why it didn't last here!

[adrianh]

...and then spit in the paper basket every 5 minutes like a skollie at Mitchells Plein station! :-)

[tec0]

I think that all smokers should walk around with a nicotine sticker on their forehead with the wording: "I are a murderer" printed on it. Then if anybody asks they could explain that they are willfully killing themselves and the people around them.

Well I see you are trying to be a bellend again Adrian.... Did you not say that you have alcohol in the house? Need I remind you that you consume said alcohol at your home. Thus you set the example that it is OK to do so. Need I remind you that alcohol is the number 1 killer on our roads. So why not put a sticker on your forehead telling everyone that you are OK with all the horrible things alcohol causes.