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  • vieome
    Email problem

    • Apr 2012
    • 540

    #226
    @tec0 life is unfair and one just has to accept it, in a world of billions we can all think the same or get our own way, I know you looking at how a little law against a specific group can evolve, but some laws are there to protect people so we have to accept them.

    Short answer: surprisingly little. Continuing the theme of revisiting classic experiments in psychology, last week’s BBC Future column was on Tajfel’s Minimal Group Paradigm. The origin…



    What does it take to spark prejudice?
    April 16, 2013 – 1:53 pm

    Short answer: surprisingly little. Continuing the theme of revisiting classic experiments in psychology, last week’s BBC Future column was on Tajfel’s Minimal Group Paradigm. The original is here. Next week we’re going to take this foundation and look at some evolutionary psychology of racism (hint: it won’t be what you’d expect).

    How easy is it for the average fair-minded person to form biased, preconceived views within groups? Surprisingly easy, according to psychology studies.

    One of the least charming but most persistent aspects of human nature is our capacity to hate people who are different. Racism, sexism, ageism, it seems like all the major social categories come with their own “-ism”, each fuelled by regrettable prejudice and bigotry.

    Our tendency for groupness appears to be so strong there seems little more for psychology to teach us. It’s not as if we need it proven that favouring our group over others is a common part of how people think – history provides all the examples we need. But one psychologist, Henri Tajfel, taught us something important. He showed exactly how little encouragement we need to treat people in a biased way because of the group they are in.

    Any phenomenon like this in the real world comes entangled with a bunch of other, complicating phenomenon. When we see prejudice in the everyday world it is hard to separate out psychological biases from the effects of history, culture and even pragmatism (sometimes people from other groups really are out to get you).

    As a social psychologist, Tajfel was interested in the essential conditions of group prejudice. He wanted to know what it took to turn the average fair-minded human into their prejudiced cousin.

    He wanted to create a microscope for looking at how we think when we’re part of a group, even when that group has none of the history, culture or practical importance that groups normally do. To look at this, he devised what has become known as the “minimal group paradigm”

    The minimal group paradigm works like this: participants in the experiment are divided into groups on some arbitrary basis. Maybe eye-colour, maybe what kind of paintings they like, or even by tossing a coin. It doesn’t matter what the basis for group membership is, as long as everyone gets a group and knows what it is. After being told they are in a group, participants are divided up so that they are alone when they make a series of choices about how rewards will be shared among other people in the groups. From this point on, group membership is entirely abstract. Nobody else can be seen, and other group members are referred to by an anonymous number. Participants make choices such as “Member Number 74 (group A) to get 10 points and Member 44 (group B) to get 8 points”, versus “Member Number 74 (group A) to get 2 points and Member 44 (group B) to get 6 points”, where the numbers are points which translate into real money.

    You won’t be surprised to learn that participants show favouritism towards their own group when dividing the money. People in group A were more likely to choose the first option I gave above, rather than the second. What is more surprising is that people show some of this group favouritism even when it ends up costing them points – so people in group B sometimes choose the second option, or options like it, even though it provides fewer points than the first option. People tend to opt for the maximum total reward (as you’d expect from the fair-minded citizen), but they also show a tendency to maximise the difference between the groups (what you’d expect from the prejudiced cousin).

    The effect may be small, but this is a situation where the groups have been plucked out of the air by the experimenters. Every participant knows which group he or she is in, but they also know that they weren’t in this group before they started the experiment, that their assignment was arbitrary or completely random, and that the groups aren’t going to exist in any meaningful way after the experiment. They also know that their choices won’t directly affect them (they are explicitly told that they won’t be given any choices to make about themselves). Even so, this situation is enough to evoke favouritism.

    So, it seems we’ll take the most minimal of signs as a cue to treat people differently according to which group they are in. Tajfel’s work suggests that in-group bias is as fundamental to thinking as the act of categorisations itself. If we want to contribute to a fairer world we need to be perpetually on guard to avoid letting this instinct run away with itself.

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    • HR Solutions
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      • Mar 2013
      • 3358

      #227
      @tec0 life is unfair and one just has to accept it
      Thats it. You have to accept it, adapt, fit in and strive to better yourself. Because then you will make it.

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      • HR Solutions
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        • Mar 2013
        • 3358

        #228
        Just thought I would share with you. Another vacancy on our books today:

        Vacancy:
        * Receptionist Position
        * Elandsfontein
        * Mature, English speaking female
        * Must be computer literate (Word and Excel)
        * All reception related duties
        * Fax, email, filing etc.
        * NON SMOKER
        * Salary ******
        * Please send CV to *********

        Another company wanting a NON smoker !


        PS. If you perhaps do know of someone who fits the bill, please contact me on the number below.
        I have removed the consultants e mail address as there are people here that strongly disagree with the NON smoking policy, therfore she may also be bombarded.

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        • Ohreally
          New Member
          • Apr 2013
          • 2

          #229
          Of course more and more people are supporting health life now and would not like to have smokers next to them, it's obvious!
          Health Shop

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          • Dave S
            Gold Member

            • Jun 2007
            • 733

            #230
            Originally posted by Ohreally
            Of course more and more people are supporting health life now and would not like to have smokers next to them, it's obvious!
            And who determines what "health life" is?...
            Today Defines Tomorrow
            Errare Humanum Est Remitto Divinus

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            • HR Solutions
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              • Mar 2013
              • 3358

              #231
              Yes you are right Dave, it is not up to someone else to determine what health life is for another person. But it is a fact that more and more companies are going the non smoking route, but it is because if they can eleminate one more distraction for their staff, the better for them. They then use the health reason as an excuse.

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              • adrianh
                Diamond Member

                • Mar 2010
                • 6328

                #232
                There are many industries where health is of the utmost importance...pilots for instance. Imagine a long-haul pilot needing to go off and have a smoke every hour during a 14 hour flight. There is not a company on this planet that will pay to train an unhealthy pilot, it just doesn't make sense to invest that kind of money in a person who doesn't look after themself. Maybe this country should take the same stance with bus drivers...

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                • tec0
                  Diamond Member

                  • Jun 2009
                  • 4624

                  #233
                  You are intolerant and yet you demand respect or you will reject those who seek jobs just to proof a point. If you don't agree with someone you will actually go as far as to discredit that person or you will try and make a mockery out of them.

                  How many people died because someone that had a problem with there religion, behaviour or there race? How many people had to suffer because of single-mindedness?

                  Well I got news for you... What ever you send out will come back. Now if you send good into the world you can expect good things. But if you send bad into the world it will come back. Like a curse it will invoke evil upon you or perhaps your bloodline. But just remember it started with you...

                  I am not for smoking but I will not damn someone just because they do smoke... Each of us has a right to life.

                  Here is a little song I hold very dear to my heart. [Serj Tankian - Harakiri]

                  Watch it...

                  peace is a state of mind
                  Disclaimer: everything written by me can be considered as fictional.

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                  • adrianh
                    Diamond Member

                    • Mar 2010
                    • 6328

                    #234
                    What are you on about?

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                    • AndyD
                      Diamond Member

                      • Jan 2010
                      • 4946

                      #235
                      Originally posted by tec0
                      How many people died because someone that had a problem with there religion, behaviour or there race?
                      I guess you might actually have an argument if you're wondering why smoking was banned rather than religion. Religion would possibly have a higher death toll by passive effects on those who don't partake and the stastics/peer reviewed evidence to back this up would be more conclusive.
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                      • AndyD
                        Diamond Member

                        • Jan 2010
                        • 4946

                        #236
                        Originally posted by adrianh
                        What are you on about?
                        Made me laugh.

                        Maybe yourself and Tec have more in common than you might think...short attention span...off on multiple simultaneous tangents. Don't take this the wrong way, I'm just thinking out loud whilst smiling.
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                        • tec0
                          Diamond Member

                          • Jun 2009
                          • 4624

                          #237
                          If you like, I can take you to the homes of the people that I was able to help when there employers became unfair. Then I will take you to the streets and graveyards and show you the names and faces of those who I was unable to help. That is what happens when bad people get there way with everything. Depression and hopelessness is a reality and not being tolerate doesn't help at all...

                          If you look at the above video it actually shows a lot of statistics of what IS happening in the "now"
                          peace is a state of mind
                          Disclaimer: everything written by me can be considered as fictional.

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                          • adrianh
                            Diamond Member

                            • Mar 2010
                            • 6328

                            #238
                            Aye Andy, I readily admit to being a f*cknut and I am happy to do do so. You see, calling me crazy isn't an insult, to the contrary, it sure is better than being considered to be blandly average.

                            Tec0, I don't really give a crap about all them people, they need to fight their own battles. I fight my own battles and I am happy to do so. You need to understand that the world is what it is and you choose to see it the way that you do. A steet sweeper can choose to cry about their k@k life or they can choose to whistle and dance down the road....it's all in the mind.

                            You see, I am accepting of my ffedup mind and my circumstance, it would be great if it is better and I strive to make it so, if I succeed then great and if I don't, well that's great too. I've lived longer than I thought I would so each day is a gift.

                            Nobody will ever make me feel guilty about the way I see the world; we all get dealt a hand and we choose how we play it, we win some, we lose some, but at the end of the day it is your hand and it is your choice to play or to fold.

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                            • pmbguy
                              Platinum Member

                              • Apr 2013
                              • 2095

                              #239
                              I dug 3.7ton of gound for my trampoleen hole. Good topsoil for vegi...

                              My wife was concerned, no sex for her tonight. I Love my wife...................

                              (something clever)


                              I just wish the wife would or could be in a common frame of sentiment regaring the "thing". You now that thing , that thing, that thiniiing.

                              And thus and so forth, its like using a spinner for brown trout....
                              It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change. – Charles Darwin

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                              • adrianh
                                Diamond Member

                                • Mar 2010
                                • 6328

                                #240
                                Well said, you minister of education you

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