Smoking at work........

[Dave S]

We all have to accept some things at some time given that we cannot do all the research ourselves. I don't accept stuff for the sake of hype. I make my own mind up based on the information that I have regarding a subject. Maybe it will be proved one day that lung cancer is caused by fairy dust, I don't know, but for the time being I am happy to accept that smoking is a health risk.

The problem with speeding is that the law has to draw a line, the law can't say it is ok to do 70 in a 60k zone because then everybody would be doing 70. Many rules are made to cater for the man in the street, remember that the man in the street is not only me and you but it is also the 70 year old lady who doesn't see too well and wlaks across the road at a snails pace and also the 9 year old kid who runs across the road chasing a ball.

And you are 100% correct, on both counts, we can only make decisions based on the evidence presented before us, be it conjectural evidence, circumstancial evidence, or actual fact. BTW, you might enjoy the thread I have just started (Life Exsists)... It's a fun and analytical breather.

[Phil Cooper]

I think one can safely say science has proved smoking causes cancer.

If one says (my numbers) that 1 in 10,000 non-smokers get lung cancer, and 50 in 10,000 smokers get lung cancer, and these figures repeat themselves - all else being equal - I think that is self explanatory...

[pmbguy]

SMOKING
Excluding any personal feelings, ethical or health concerns.

Smoking at the workplace may

1.Decrease productivity, time wasted smoking and not working.

2.Decrease moral, other non smokers may feel it is unfair for co workers to be able to take a break for a smoke while they have to work. Also, some employees might be unhappy with being exposed to smoke (If smoking in the same area).

3.Negative effect on client perceptions. Employees standing around on a smoke break may harm perception. A salesman that reeks of smoke could be off putting to some clients.

Please don’t take it personally guys. This is simply a technical exercise as to the effects of smoking in the workplace. I am a smoker myself but I believe the above to be true in different measures depending on the specific business.

[Darkangelyaya]

Dave, I have lost enough friends through lung cancer caused by heavy smoking, to know what the effects of smoking is. You can keep on ignoring the facts and bury your head in the sand. As you have said; you can feel the effects of smoking. So don't pretend that it is healthy, not even to calm the nerves.

Blurock, I respect your view, but there is NO evidence that smoking is directly linked to lung cancer. It has never been proven without a shadow of a doubt.
BUT... smoking in effect depletes the oxygen levels in your blood, and is one of the three causes of cancer. As a cancer survivor, I have done my homework on this.
So, there is a link between smoking and (lung) cancer, but it is not as direct as it is made out to be.
It will always be a sensitive issue, and I am sorry for the loss of friends that you've experienced.
No, I am not a smoker, but my partner is.

[adrianh]

So what about all that black gunk that covers the insides of your lungs and bronchi?

[tec0]

So what about all that black gunk that covers the insides of your lungs and bronchi?

I am wondering Adrian... What “IF” someone in your family becomes a smoker?

Will you abandon them?
Make them eat dirt?
Not give them jobs?
Not tolerate them?
Hate them?
Destroy there livelihoods?
NOT RESPECT THEM?

See I may not have your insight wealth and or POWER... But I know people... and people are people they will do what people do... Humans are random... but they are also conditioned... thus you get a "conditioned response"...

[Blurock]

Blurock, I respect your view, but there is NO evidence that smoking is directly linked to lung cancer. It has never been proven without a shadow of a doubt.

You are contradicting yourself.

smoking in effect depletes the oxygen levels in your blood, and is one of the three causes of cancer. As a cancer survivor, I have done my homework on this.
So, there is a link between smoking and (lung) cancer, but it is not as direct as it is made out to be.

I have no doubt that the colleagues and friends that died from lung cancer could have been saved, had they stopped smoking earlier. Some smoked until the end, but admitted to smoking being the cause of their condition.

I have seen the lungs of cancer patients and it looks horrible. Just imagine pouring litres of black tar into your lungs! I wish that someone could set up a display with such damaged lungs in glass jars so that everyone could see for themselves.

Funny that some people seem to be immune, but people who smoke are also more susceptible to colds and flu and often develop hay fever and other ailments. Like an old car, the one problem leads to another and you may even end up having a reduced lung function like I have.

[AndyD]

Wow, this is just the thread that keeps on giving. I haven't been around all day and there's another page and a half of posts.

I am wondering Adrian... What “IF” someone in your family becomes a smoker?

Will you abandon them?
Make them eat dirt?
Not give them jobs?
Not tolerate them?
Hate them?
Destroy there livelihoods?
NOT RESPECT THEM?

See I may not have your insight wealth and or POWER... But I know people... and people are people they will do what people do... Humans are random... but they are also conditioned... thus you get a "conditioned response"...

If this is a multiple choice question I'd have to go with answer 'B'...make them eat dirt. Saying that, answer 'E' is tempting....and answer 'A'. Geez, decisions decisions

[tec0]

Wow, this is just the thread that keeps on giving. I haven't been around all day and there's another page and a half of posts.

lol Lets just say I had a very bad day. Some idiot decided that generated that piece crap test paper basically put me 3 months back on my plans as I am going to have to do it again!!!! See this person thinks that playing with our lives is FUN. Much like some people here...

Since the bastard that created the test is well hidden from public I get to pick on the none smokers :because I can smily face here:

Where is Hitle... Adrian today anyway

[Dave S]

I think one can safely say science has proved smoking causes cancer.

If one says (my numbers) that 1 in 10,000 non-smokers get lung cancer, and 50 in 10,000 smokers get lung cancer, and these figures repeat themselves - all else being equal - I think that is self explanatory...

No, the way I see it this does not PROVE that cancer is caused by smoking, if even 1 in a Billion gets cancer without ever having smoked, then clearly the cancer was not CAUSED by smoking, but if 50 in 100 smokers were to get cancer, this again proves only that smoking is an aggravated circumstance but still not the CAUSE. In other words, smokers will be more at risk, but the cause of the cancer is something else, surely?

[adrianh]

Hey tec0 - you must say: Sieg Heil

If a family member started smoking I would feed them cigarette butts for breakfast, lunch and supper until they stopped.

[tec0]

Hey tec0 - you must say: Sieg Heil

If a family member started smoking I would feed them cigarette butts for breakfast, lunch and supper until they stopped.

Actually my dad tried that :blank stare smily face here: but sorry to say it doesn't work. It also didn't work on you because you are an x-smoker.

That said I wonder why I stopped smoking as I secretly long for death anyway. Imagine selling a "suicide button" that actually works then I and everyone else like me would be gone and the world would be a really boring place now wouldn't it.

No more unsuccessful people to boss around. No more cheap-labour... Need I continue???

The good news is "they" are slowly but surly legalizing "the grass " So in the not so far future you will have to deal with grass smoking employees with almost no higher brain function...

I hope I get to see that job interview...

[vieome]

That said I wonder why I stopped smoking as I secretly long for death anyway. Imagine selling a "suicide button" that actually works then I and everyone else like me would be gone and the world would be a really boring place now wouldn't it.

Congrates on managing to give up on the addiction and the habit of smoking(will power you have), but I really think you should do yourself a favour, and give up on the habit of having such thoughts as above. Your thoughts shape your world, and if your are letting your outside reality determine your thoughts, it is time to try something new. Choose your thoughts, dont have thoughts based on what you see in the world, or what you might have been conditioned to think the world is. You already thinking c@#p thoughts about life, just try thinking different thoughts about life and see what happens to your world, what do you have to lose.

[Dave S]

NEW INFORMATION: Smoking causes pregnancy in teenage females.

A study of 400 participants revealed, amongst other things, that 96% of the participants were smokers, and only 4% were not, surely this proves beyond a doubt that smoking causes pregnancy in teenagers? I'm gonna carry on looking around for these little tidbits of information...

[adrianh]

We can't change the way the world looks but we can change the way you see it.
bausch and lomb (The company that makes contact lenses)

...we choose what we see....
...a lion murdering a buck or a mother feeding her young!

...we see with our thoughts....