Smoking at work........

[Newretailer]

Tec0, seriously, stop complaining, get off you high horse and become a business owner yourself if you think they have such a wonderful life. You do nothing but judge everyone else and being sanctimonious.

[tec0]

If you needed to crawl in the mud while some prick is screaming at you to make you a man then I pity you. If holding a gun in some hell-hole gave you self-worth then I feel very sad for you.

See I am unarmed, I don't need someone screaming at me. I got enough voices in my head that does exactly that. I have walked alone in the most dangerous places again unarmed.

So you see yourself as man? You had training you saw “action”... Good for you... Nothing you do or say gives you the right to oppress anyone... For now it is smoking then comes something else and something else will follow that because your ego demands it.

Rather live and let live Adrian you will be a better man for it.

[tec0]

Tec0, seriously, stop complaining, get off you high horse and become a business owner yourself if you think they have such a wonderful life. You do nothing but judge everyone else and being sanctimonious.

Yea I would read this whole thing again if I where you... I think you missed a few important bits...

[AndyD]

Remember the most important motto; "Adapt or die"

Hardly a motto, more like an ultimatum for people that have given up trying to change their circumstances or are no longer in control of the things that have an effect their lives.

So tec0, did you ever do national service, I bet you didn't, you didn't get to demand squat, you didn't get to sulk or whine all the time, you simply got all that nonsense mo3red out of you. You whine, you get a opf@k, you whinge, you get a opf@k, you demand....no you don't dare...

You're basically saying national service taught you how to behave like a gimp. Maybe this would be of value in later life but I'm not seeing a relevance to the smoking issue

[Citizen X]

I don't tolerate people who feel sorry for themselves and live off pity. Adapt or DIE; that is the way of the world.

A very good afternoon to you Adrian,
I understand the sentiment, you know what they say about the fittest! Tragically, this is hardly any consolation to the millions of our fellow South Africans in dire need of a word of hope and encourage despite their circumstances such as poverty, unemployment etc.
That said, the grassroots perspective to you, has got to be this Afrikaans, Kwaito song by ‘Jararumba: Tussen.’
“ Hoekom jy lag my so, hoekom jy kyk my so?”
See no self- pity in that only a rebuttal that makes one stand in awe!!!Look at how the grassroots man is responding by way of this song
You know that series survival? That should actually shoot that in our squatter camps and let us all see our that contestant will fare in the informal settlement for 3 months. These people fight for their very lives, in terms of hunger and the weather on a daily basis. Life is not good for them.
On a more sombre note, what if a very poor man tells you look I have adapted, I was the poor man, now I’m the criminal!!! Rather, have a poor man willing to listen to reason with assistance from whomsoever than a case where his heart so hardens from this world that he now choses to be a criminal!!(I’m in no way condoning crime, merely making a point)

[adrianh]

The bottom line is this:

I WILL NOT EMPLOY A SMOKER.

It is my business, my workplace, and my choice...and I don't give a royal continental f*ck whether teccy and you lot b1tch and moan all day long.

There are people in life that b1tch and moan and there are people who deal with life and get on with it. I HAVE NO TOLERANCE FOR THOSE WHO BITCH AND MOAN.

I don't give a crap whether people choose to smoke as long as they do it elsewhere....

Take it, leave it, I don't give a $h1t. Life is hard, you stand up straight and you march on up the mountain or you cower in the corner and cry.

You lot seem to think that you can change my mind about this matter by crying about how mentally weak you are, aye well, I don't actually care, you live your smoke filled life and I live my clean air life, it is your choice to stink in yuor workplace and it is my choice not to stink in my workplace...deal with it.

A famous quote that you guys should keep in mind when ypu preach to me:

Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.

[adrianh]

I read a wonderful thing somewhere, I'll see if I can find it again. It comes down to this; people teach their children that it is just good enough to take part, that they must just run around and kick the ball and that is ok. People no longer teach their children to excell, to do better than the rest, to reach, to stretch and to get beyond being merely mediocre. We are all supposed to be weak and look after the wellbeing of the weak, lazy and hopeless. That it is ok to be weak lazy and hopeless, to go through life with no ambition, sitting on your butt doing nothing but whinge.

Well F that....

[Citizen X]

Tec0, seriously, stop complaining, get off you high horse and become a business owner yourself if you think they have such a wonderful life. You do nothing but judge everyone else and being sanctimonious.

A very good afternoon to you Newretailer,
I sincerely don’t think that your allegation of Tec0 being judgmental has merit. Here’s the thing, in-order to definitively arrive at the inference that this man is judgmental, one would reasonably be expected to place all his posts over the years under circumspective. Now, I haven’t studied all of Tec0’s posts, but a great many, I don’t find that he’s judgmental at all. On the contrary, I find that he’s a good debater! He will challenge your position and motivate the postion he takes. Nothing wrong with that in good debating, in fact debating can even become heated as long as we don’t cross the obvious lines. Another way would be to assess how many members of TFSA have made such an allegation against this man in posts. From what I see, very few!
I think that it’s just a matter of difference of opinion and challenging an opinion put forward.

[Citizen X]

I read a wonderful thing somewhere, I'll see if I can find it again. It comes down to this; people teach their children that it is just good enough to take part, that they must just run around and kick the ball and that is ok. People no longer teach their children to excell, to do better than the rest, to reach, to stretch and to get beyond being merely mediocre. We are all supposed to be weak and look after the wellbeing of the weak, lazy and hopeless. That it is ok to be weak lazy and hopeless, to go through life with no ambition, sitting on your butt doing nothing but whinge.

Well F that....

What you state here does have merit! Fair point!

[Newretailer]

Maybe not in other threads. As far as this thread goes, I have not seen anyone else accusing so many other people of being judgmental, when the judgments keep on coming from that source. A good argument is when you put forward pros and cons and being able to substantiate your viewpoint, not when you make jumps from JHB to Cairo via Mauritius, which is frankly how absurd the jumps is being made from the simple statement: I do not like smoking and I will not employ a smoker.

[Citizen X]

Hardly a motto, more like an ultimatum for people that have given up trying to change their circumstances or are no longer in control of the things that have an effect their lives.


You're basically saying national service taught you how to behave like a gimp. Maybe this would be of value in later life but I'm not seeing a relevance to the smoking issue

A very good afternoon to you Andy
Ironic you should rebut the assertion in this way! Look at what Marley say’s in his song ‘Could you be loved!”
“They say: only - only -only the fittest of the fittest shall survive -Stay alive! Eh?
(The road of life is rocky and you may stumble too, So while you point your fingers someone else is judging you) Love your brotherman!
(You ain't gonna miss your water, until your well runs dry;
No matter how you treat him, he’ll never be satisfied.)”

[Blurock]

How did this happen?

The simple answer is “we the 98% let it happen” Thus this conversation will continue to a point where the victor will always be the wealthy. To this end our suicide statistics are higher then ever before. This will continue until a human life is valued again.

As seen here in this Thread, many employers no longer values anything but there own opinion. So sadly we have a long away to go until they value there fellow human again.

I do not agree. You are linking your smoking issues with your frustration with the boss. Those are separate issues. Also, Marikana is a good example where the victor was the uncontrolled mob. In spite of the destruction and the murders committed by them, they were rewarded with an increase and several other benefits.

Yes, I agree that the whole situation arose from poor leadership all over, but both sides had blame and both sides had blood on their hands.

I do not agree that the army instilled discipline. I for one was not prepared to let some stupid corporal shout and swear at me and tell me that I am lower than snake shit. I was lucky to rather play in the band, or else I would have spent army time in the DB.

It was rather the way we were brought up. Discipline at home, discipline at school, discipline in the community. If you did something wrong, you took your punishment and apologised and tried to make things right. You tried to be the best you could be, regardless of circumstances. There is only one way to do things, the right way.

As adrianh said, we have become accustomed to being average. Do not shout at the poor soul because (s)he will get a nervous breakdown. I'm sorry, mediocre will not do. If you want to get any where in life, you have to roll up your sleeves and be the best that you can be. Only the best is good enough.

[tec0]

I am not here to change your mind but I will oppose you Adrian. I don't care if you scream hate or use condescension. I offered optional solutions you didn't note it. See in your world you are not obligated too. But that is just the thing right there. It is not your world... nor is it mine. We share it with companies that pump harmful stuff into the air each and every day. Did you ever notice that toxic smell when stuck in traffic for two hours? How is that effecting your health? Carbon monoxide is also a poison. Can we avoid at all? Some yes but we cannot avoid all of it all of the time. It is simply impossible.

Now you have the right not to higher smokers. But that doesn't mean I or anyone else have to like it. Every action have a reaction.

Secondly I know of a man, he sleeps at a abandoned building, he is basically "distant" from the rest of the world. He doesn't register at all. Some said he has an addiction others claim he was born that way. It turns out he used to be a very successful man at one stage in his life. One morning he phoned his parents they didn't answer. When he entered there home he found them brutally murdered. Something in him died that day. I can only hope that he will find himself again but to this day he is lost to the world. Or perhaps it is a question of perspective.

So ease off on the weak bit and the lazy bit. The reality is you simply don't know what someone else is feeling thinking or what they experienced.

[adrianh]

It is not a question of judging anybody. They lead their lives as they choose and I lead mine as I choose. I choose to do certain things and I choose not to do certain things. I choose not to have other people do certain things within a domain which I control, which is my right. I don't ask anybody to like it, not to like it, I don't care how anybody else feels about it for that matter...but....I don't cry about the injustice of it all all the time.

What I said about the army was this: you did not get to bitch and moan and whinge and whine all the time, you had to suck it up and do what you had to do. This was aimed directly at tec0 for his continual whinging and whining about how the world is unfair to him and all the other waeklings. The idea was to simply to say that I had to learn to suck it up and get on with it even if i didn't like it. The army was k@k but even so, it did do me the world of good in the long run.

[tec0]

As adrianh said, we have become accustomed to being average. Do not shout at the poor soul because (s)he will get a nervous breakdown. I'm sorry, mediocre will not do. If you want to get any where in life, you have to roll up your sleeves and be the best that you can be. Only the best is good enough.

Are you really that successful? Yes you may have wealth but it is not true power now is it. If you bring things into perspective you will find that your success is just that "mediocre" If you where special you would have a country with your name on it, able to manipulate your DNA so that you can live forever and make gold out of dust. The truth is perfection breeds weakness and for every million you made someone else made a million times that. So depending on the scale of success where are you really. When placed against a poor person you are successful yes but when placed next to the supper wealthy supper powerful? Then you are not even on the scale.