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  • pmbguy
    Platinum Member

    • Apr 2013
    • 2095

    #166
    Originally posted by Hermes14
    From what I can understand, the Khoisan were hunter gatherers the Africans were agriculturalist.
    The Africans wanted their land for farming & therefor wiped most of them out.

    When Europeans arrived at the Cape Africans were pastoralists with agriculture including Sorghum which is a native cereal (especially maize after euro contact). The Koi were hunter gatherers, when the Dutch arrived they also became traders and pastoralists. Their territory was mainly the cape peninsula and spread out along some the western shore of SA. The San (Bushman) were hunter gatherers who lived mainly inland, from the deserts to the Drankensberg.

    Although African tribes had already started to arrive in today’s South Africa before Europeans, most only moved down after Europeans arrived. Pushing gradually southwards. Some San were absorbed into the advancing nguni tribes (Xhosa is said to get it clicks for the San), but for the most part it was an act of protracted genocide.

    The demise of the Kio was almost entirely caused by the arrival of Europeans at the Cape, small pocks killing the vast majority.

    After their cultures had been destroyed the San and the Koi were known by the combined name of Khoisan a small loose collection of people scattered about.
    It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change. – Charles Darwin

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    • Hermes14
      Bronze Member

      • Mar 2013
      • 152

      #167
      Originally posted by pmbguy
      When Europeans arrived at the Cape Africans were pastoralists with agriculture including Sorghum which is a native cereal (especially maize after euro contact). The Koi were hunter gatherers, when the Dutch arrived they also became traders and pastoralists. Their territory was mainly the cape peninsula and spread out along some the western shore of SA. The San (Bushman) were hunter gatherers who lived mainly inland, from the deserts to the Drankensberg.

      Although African tribes had already started to arrive in today’s South Africa before Europeans, most only moved down after Europeans arrived. Pushing gradually southwards. Some San were absorbed into the advancing nguni tribes (Xhosa is said to get it clicks for the San), but for the most part it was an act of protracted genocide.

      The demise of the Kio was almost entirely caused by the arrival of Europeans at the Cape, small pocks killing the vast majority.

      After their cultures had been destroyed the San and the Koi were known by the combined name of Khoisan a small loose collection of people scattered about.
      Here is a good example where you have to filter the information you get on the internet.
      My humble tribute to the San people. I Tried this resumee about the subject. By kantabriansea The Khoisan, Khoi and San peoples are amongst the oldest


      I can't remember if it was in 1985 or 1986 I spoke to a bushman who claimed to be a khoisan,
      It was the first & the last time I had ever heard the khoisan language So I wouldn't be able to say if he was fluent or was just bullshitting me.
      I thing he did show me was his feet.
      He only had three toes per foot ( two in front & one at the back of his foot).
      He told me all of their feet were like this.
      At the time I was fascinated by what he told me & believed him.
      If he was khoisan, he was the first & the last one I had ever seen when I was in the cape.

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      • pmbguy
        Platinum Member

        • Apr 2013
        • 2095

        #168
        The old SADF used San (bushman) to track throughout our border wars and Angola. They are the best trackers on earth.

        The Doma people are interesting. Most probably their physical anomaly was caused by a genetic bottleneck, it is suggested their isolation along with a present gene lead to a tribe with predominantly two toes.
        It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change. – Charles Darwin

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        • dix
          Full Member
          • Jan 2014
          • 44

          #169
          Guys you seem to be talking about unoccupied land in Africa just like there is still unoccupied land in Africa, now should Chines come and occupy that land, it will automatically belong to Chines because no one is occupying it? what about the African border?

          These are just schemes Western people do talk about when they want to steal the land

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          • dix
            Full Member
            • Jan 2014
            • 44

            #170
            Was just moved by the EU decision to bring sanctions against Nigeria, Uganda and Zimbabwe (visa burns)and as you mention here it seems as if it's the general view of western people is that black people are stupid and cannot make decisions for themselves because these guys were supposed to be dealing with African Union first to solve African problems and not jump into matters that do not concern them.

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            • pmbguy
              Platinum Member

              • Apr 2013
              • 2095

              #171
              Dix

              Clearly poxy wars... the cold war is getting hotter (for the sake of simplicity I will for now at least exclude the Crimean aaah fuck you Obama regards Putin situation)

              Occupation?.. China is eating SA and sub-Saharan africa up. The west have countered strongly in the north: Tunisia, Egypt, Libya. “Coincidently” the only mediterranean port of the ‘eastern alliance’ belongs to Putin (Syria).

              Anyway...

              An African Union does not really exist, contracts supersede all that fluff... hey china china

              Facts are facts no matter how politically incorrect they may be. Truth is separate and above emotive issues such as racism. Sub-Saharan Africans did not invent the wheel despite a need for it – despite arab influence. Its an ugly catchup game.
              It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change. – Charles Darwin

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              • wynn
                Diamond Member

                • Oct 2006
                • 3338

                #172
                Originally posted by Hermes14
                I thing he did show me was his feet.
                He only had three toes per foot ( two in front & one at the back of his foot).
                If you are not used to the Oudshoorn weed you tend to believe that an 'ostrich jockey' is really a Khoi in traditional dress.

                In fact his real legs with his feet, ten toes and all, were tucked under the ostrich's wings and the neck and head of the bird were hidden in his clothing.
                "Nobody who has succeeded has not failed along the way"
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                • dix
                  Full Member
                  • Jan 2014
                  • 44

                  #173
                  Khoi people are Africans, Xhosa's descended straight from them and infect there is strong inter-marriage between the two and Xhosa's are intelligent, infect Smith the Chief officer of British army during the last world war after killing Hintsa the Xhosa leader took his head to Britain for examinations that they may see why was he so intelligent, and the only reason that the Khoi people are scares is because of the intermarriage between the Xhosa and the Khoi people, infect im going to marry a Khoi woman, out of topic, just a comment

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                  • dix
                    Full Member
                    • Jan 2014
                    • 44

                    #174
                    Before you can answer, remember that in 1994 elections National Party won the Western Cape province and it's death was followed by the rise of DA of which members of NP joined or supported DA and hence DA/NP was victorious in the Western Cape in all elections that followed, can't you see that it is logical here to say that DA is NP in disguise?

                    How many members of NP did join the ANC, who are they? are they still there?

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                    • pmbguy
                      Platinum Member

                      • Apr 2013
                      • 2095

                      #175
                      Originally posted by dix
                      Khoi people are Africans, Xhosa's descended straight from them and infect there is strong inter-marriage between the two and Xhosa's are intelligent, infect Smith the Chief officer of British army during the last world war after killing Hintsa the Xhosa leader took his head to Britain for examinations that they may see why was he so intelligent, and the only reason that the Khoi people are scares is because of the intermarriage between the Xhosa and the Khoi people, infect im going to marry a Khoi woman, out of topic, just a comment
                      I also posted the following in the DA Policy thread as a response to a similar statement you made there.

                      Originally posted by pmbguy
                      ... The Xhosa are Nguni who moved from central Africa, from the great lakes to be specific. Xhosa shares its Nguni heritage with others like the Sawzi, Phuthi and Zulu. The Xhosa language is closely related to Zulu and other Nguni languages. isiXhosa famously has fifteen click sounds, originally borrowed from the San. The “borrowing” occurred when the Xhosa pushed into San territory in the east (Current day Eastern Cape). Through conflict and absorption, the San language and culture died in that area.

                      The Koi and the San have a similar language to each other, but separate cultures. Khoisan languages are completely different to that of the Nguni tribes. Their culture was/is also completely different. They are genetically different and have a different physical appearance. In all respects an autonomous separate culture to the Nguni.

                      I reject your statement that the Xhosa are direct descendants of the San/Khoisan. Correctly stated, they are Nguni who, through the occupation of San territory, acquired some San genetics and clicking sounds to the language.

                      Ps. Congratulations on your up and coming marriage. In keeping with an old San courtship ritual you must shoot her in the bum cheek with a small arrow from your bow.
                      It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change. – Charles Darwin

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                      • KristiKat
                        Bronze Member

                        • Feb 2014
                        • 178

                        #176
                        Originally posted by pmbguy
                        Dix

                        Clearly poxy wars... the cold war is getting hotter (for the sake of simplicity I will for now at least exclude the Crimean aaah fuck you Obama regards Putin situation)

                        Occupation?.. China is eating SA and sub-Saharan africa up. The west have countered strongly in the north: Tunisia, Egypt, Libya. “Coincidently” the only mediterranean port of the ‘eastern alliance’ belongs to Putin (Syria).

                        Anyway...

                        An African Union does not really exist, contracts supersede all that fluff... hey china china

                        Facts are facts no matter how politically incorrect they may be. Truth is separate and above emotive issues such as racism. Sub-Saharan Africans did not invent the wheel despite a need for it – despite arab influence. Its an ugly catchup game.
                        ...ROFLAO,

                        and they think they are in control?

                        they are only living in the moment,

                        and spend and eat as much as they can NOW,

                        not caring for the future....................

                        THEY know deep down they are only jesters on puppeteer strings
                        “Curiousity is the discovery of satan, the devil was hidden and far, now he stares everyone in the face.” ― Michael Bassey Johnson There is evil! It's actual, like cement... I can't believe it. I can't stand it. Evil is not a view... it's an ingredient in us. In the world. Poured over us, filtering into our bodies, minds, hearts, into the pavement itself.

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                        • KristiKat
                          Bronze Member

                          • Feb 2014
                          • 178

                          #177
                          Originally posted by dix
                          Before you can answer, remember that in 1994 elections National Party won the Western Cape province and it's death was followed by the rise of DA of which members of NP joined or supported DA and hence DA/NP was victorious in the Western Cape in all elections that followed, can't you see that it is logical here to say that DA is NP in disguise?

                          How many members of NP did join the ANC, who are they? are they still there?
                          nope i don't think the DA is anything in disguise,

                          they are struggling to get on the map,

                          and make no real change..............
                          “Curiousity is the discovery of satan, the devil was hidden and far, now he stares everyone in the face.” ― Michael Bassey Johnson There is evil! It's actual, like cement... I can't believe it. I can't stand it. Evil is not a view... it's an ingredient in us. In the world. Poured over us, filtering into our bodies, minds, hearts, into the pavement itself.

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                          • wynn
                            Diamond Member

                            • Oct 2006
                            • 3338

                            #178
                            The act of Homosexuality was illegal (classified as immoral same as cross race sex) by the old National Party and the Colonial British before that (although they were not against cross race sex so much) so basically, as I see it, Africa is going backwards politically.
                            "Nobody who has succeeded has not failed along the way"
                            Arianna Huffington

                            Read the first 10% of my books "Didymus" and "The BEAST of BIKO BRIDGE" for free
                            You can also read and download 100% free my short stories "A Real Surprise" and "Pieces of Eight" at
                            http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/332256

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