ANTI GAY LAWS

[adrianh]

hmmmm... I think it best that I step out of this debate. Have fun....

[Hermes14]

Man Moved Out Of Women’s Prison For Having Too Much Sex

http://blurbrain.com/man-moved-out-of-womens-prison-for-having-too-much-sex/

In the early eighties gays used to hang around in the mens' toilets in the Carlton Centre & try & rape teenagers wanting to use the bath room, that is what started off the gay bashing in JHB.

p.s. I am taking my dogs to a show today so I will only be able to respond to any replies this evening.

[Dave A]

If forcing your sexual persuasion on unconsenting others is a crime, does that make politicians who introduce anti-gay legislation criminals?

[newBix]

So tell me, what should a boy do who has the psycological make up of a girl (at birth), or, what should a girl do who is in all ways a girl except she also happens to have a willy

If you are born with both male and female organs then I suspect that doctors will intervene at some stage. But this is a far cry from making a choice of being homosexual or not. The person with both male and female organs can make a choice an actual choice of how their body will develop. A homosexual however is someone that is interested in a same sex partner. I don't think it is the same thing.

There's always been tons of legislation prohibiting things that might go on in the bedroom. You can't have sex with someone who's under 16 and you can't have sex with your sister, preventing same gender sexual acts is an extension of these laws.

Government has the right and obligation to protect the youth against abuse. It must also take the responsibility of genetic preservation because incest is proven to be a problem genetically and threatens humanity on a much larger scale if it is allowed to continue. so yes there must be laws.

If forcing your sexual persuasion on unconsenting others is a crime, does that make politicians who introduce anti-gay legislation criminals?

I don't think there is a answer to this question. But government must protect the masses even psychologically people must be protected. Open display of homosexual behaviour may be upsetting for some.

As for biologically? A man is a man and a woman is a woman both has a responsibility towards there genetics. Yes it is true that technology will make it possible for a man to have child and for a woman to have a child artificially... But what is wrong with being normal or heterosexual?

why must a normal female and male be accepting of homosexual behaviour? What about their rights?

So clearly there is no easy answer when you enter the "public domain" Again it doesn't matter what the decision will be there will be consequence.

[adrianh]

What absurd rubbish - you must be a Christian or living in the dark ages. Ag shame man, it must be hard to cope with the image of two girls kissing.

I stand for the right of adults to choose how they express themselves sexually and it is none of anybody else's business.

[newBix]

What absurd rubbish - you must be a Christian or living in the dark ages. Ag shame man, it must be hard to cope with the image of two girls kissing.

I stand for the right of adults to choose how they express themselves sexually and it is none of anybody else's business.

Considering it is an ancient practice of the dark ages it makes no sense why you would blame me for living in the dark ages. As for condoning the behaviour that is a choice each of us will make when the behaviour becomes more public.

But if homosexuality is what excites you Adrian then by all means enjoy it responsibly.

My only concern is what effect it will have on both sides. It is about personal safety. If it is proven that there is no long term psychological implications towards the youth and so on then I don't have a problem with it. But if it is proven that there is psychological implications then the general public has a right to be protected.

Same is true for those with a homosexual life style. They also have the right to protection and the right to be protected psychologically as well.

[adrianh]

Ja ja....

[Hermes14]

If forcing your sexual persuasion on unconsenting others is a crime, does that make politicians who introduce anti-gay legislation criminals?

Dave that depends on why the politician introduced the law in the first place.
If a politician introduced anti-gay legislation just because he doesn’t like gays then I would call it bigotry.
Now lets say your wife or your daughter was either harassed or molested by a gay or a transsexual man., what would you do?”

[adrianh]

Oh I see, so heterosexual people don't harass kids nor rape nor abuse....

Get a grip...your argument is absurd because you do not address the matter at hand which is gay rights. You waffle on about a minority of, lets call them, non-heterosexual, people who force themselves on others yet you say nothing about heterosexuals who do the same and far worse.

Your argument is a simple "not one of us" argument. They are different so they have to be bad.

Why does another person's sexuality bother you so much anyway, it's their life and their choice and has absolutely nothing to do with you.

[KristiKat]

there are bigger fish to fry than worrying about gay rights..........

[Hermes14]

Adrianh I have never said or implemented that heterosexuals don’t rape or molester children.
Once they enter into the prison system they are the first ones to cry for police protection.

If non heterosexuals stuck to they own circles I wouldn’t have a problem with them but as soon as they start encroaching into my territory I do have a problem.
The next question I have which still hasn’t been answered.
In public places do we allow them to use male facilities, female facilities or do we have to create special facilities for them?

[adrianh]

My view on the use off public facilities is as follows:

1. There is no reason whatsoever to separate sexes, we all use the same facilities at home.
2. They are free to use whatever facilities they choose considering that all people using public facilities are expected to consider one another's privacy.

I couldn't care less whether the person next to me wearing a dress wants to pee standing up, it is their choice and their life.

I don't get your animosity towards non-heterosexual. You speak of encroaching into YOUR territory, define YOUR territory?

[KristiKat]

You speak of encroaching into YOUR territory, define YOUR territory?

it seems that this guy is horribly threatened by gay men....

is normal in most homophobic individuals. He states that" Someone who lives life in a manner quite different that oneself represents a threat to that individual. The threat is a threat to the ego in the sense that one's own choices may prove not to be optimal; it is also a subconscious threat to one's security in the sense that the other may prove to be more successful". Although most people would hate to admit it, they are mostly afraid of what will happen to what they thought was right when another option is exposed. People are afraid to wake up one day and realize that they,they being the "heterosexuals", are the weird ones. read more

http://http://starr-itsthetruth.blogspot.com/2008/04/homophobia-is-widespread-in-america-far.html

[adrianh]

it seems that this guy is horribly threatened by gay men....

What I find interesting about it is how people are threatened by the mere existence of a person who is not like them. What threat does a non-heterosexual person represent that a heterosexual doesn't?

I'm not saying that one has to like it or agree with it, I am simply saying that it is none of anybody's business. I am a real male dog who loves the ladies so the idea of homosexuality doesn't appeal to me personally and that is my right. But, just as I defend my right to be a dog so do I defend the rights of others to be whomever they choose to.


As an aside; I think the poor guy will have a heart attack if he had to spend 5 minutes at Design Indaba. My 15 year old daughter and I went there yesterday afternoon and I'll say this much, Cape Town isn't called The Gay Capital of Africa and also Design Capital 2014 for no reason. We both had a lot of fun and met lots of weird and wonderful people!

[Hermes14]

You speak of encroaching into YOUR territory, define YOUR territory?

Anywhere within my residential premisses, when I’m in public anywhere within my personal or social space.e.g. if my friends & I go to a restaurant or club & a non heterosexuals came to sit at the same table as we were sitting & tried to socialize with us I would consider that an intrusion into my territory.
KristiKat I don\t feel threatened by them, I just totally dislike them
During my younger days when we used to go clubbing, on quite a few occasions we found these “non heterosexuals” trying to rape teenagers in the public toilets.There was also a number of times that we got arrested for taking the law into our own hands.