ANTI GAY LAWS

[dix]

I think Africans in general wants these anti gay laws and that include South Africa; given the killings of gays, the stigma associated with gays especially among Africans, also if you notice these guys who abuse gays in townships where where mostly Africans live, almost no one reports such incidents and that means black people support such killings.

My reasoning is that South Africa is seeking crumbs that fall from the American tables (investors) that they are in favor of gay laws.

Correctly I think also South Africa is most likely to join their neighbors in these anti gay laws given the African Union doesn't exclude the countries that favor such laws and could mean African Union itself is in favor such laws.

Now should South Africa adopt anti gay laws as-well, what could be the future of the African Continent?

[desA]

Something seems to be stirring in Africa, in terms of rejection of the western views on this topic.

Some 37 African nations seem to have made this legal stand rather clear, of late. I do wonder what has precipitated such major change?

[dix]

Something is truly steering Africa and not only in the view of this topic but all I can say is it could be the first move in light. These guys are coming from a long background of colonization and many consider the western people to be their enemies for many reasons and as time progresses we will see a lot of changes as they regain their confidence and rejecting many western practices.

At the moment it seems as if morality among Africans matter a lot and this will contradict many western constitutions in many ways say for instance you can only find the church of satan in South Africa at the moment as they inserted the clause for freedom of religion, and concerning the freedom of religion and Africa there is a problem as you may have heard over the news that in some African countries black people are destroying Moscow's and it's more likely to happen right here in South Africa given the tension between Islamic religion and black people religion.

[wynn]

Remember that most of the countries that are introducing 'anti gay laws' also still burn witches (that happens here too) so don't expect the use of too much IQ as far as anything else goes.

You get what the common denominator wishes for because that is what keeps them happy and any 'Gubbermunt' wants a happy common denominator.

[newBix]

Sexual orientation is a volatile debate at the moment. But I think the primary concern are both the sociological and psychological aspect. Consider a youth having two mothers or two fathers what is the psychological effect on that youth how will it affect the youth in later life.

Natural sexual orientation is by default correct and any other orientation can be seen as a disorder or choice perhaps both. The question is if it is a disorder can it be treated? If it is a choice can it be addressed psychology? But would the person in question want treatment if that person accept his orientation as normal? Or will the treatment be forced if so what about human rights?

One thing is clear, regardless of what the decision is there will be consequences.

[dix]

Witches use magic, do muthi killings and killing them is relevant because you wouldn't get justice in a court of law and burning them will send a message to the rest who practice such not unless you are falsely accused to be a witch of which this is how witches get away with their magic killings.

The will be consequences sir and is what I'm asking, what they may look like? one would want to know if isolating Uganda because of anti gay laws would lead to Africans to send all white people away from their continent because you would think that if Uganda is isolated by western countries and their brothers would do the same

[ians]

I am just bummed that a gay person has the right to share a shower with me but I cant share the ladies shower

[adrianh]

I think that it is very simple; The sexuality that consenting adults express towards one another is none of anybody's business. It is no business of the government.

[Hermes14]

Witches use magic, do muthi killings and killing them is relevant because you wouldn't get justice in a court of law and burning them will send a message to the rest who practice such not unless you are falsely accused to be a witch of which this is how witches get away with their magic killings.

If someone was using magic & you wanted to lay charges against that person you would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that that person was using magic on you.
How do you prove that someone was using magic or witchcraft on you?

Regarding the burning of witches – what is the differences between a witch, a sangoma & an inyanga?
To my knowledge they all fall under the same category. ( they are all witches)
I’m not saying I am against the witch burnings but you should accuse one person of witchcraft one day & the next day you go to a sangoma which is what a lot of blacks do.

[Hermes14]

I think that it is very simple; The sexuality that consenting adults express towards one another is none of anybody's business. It is no business of the government.

Adrianh
How would you classify a transgender person?
If your wife came to you & said that on a female only forum that she belongs to there is an it that claims he is a woman & have a right to be on a female only forum?

[newBix]

I don't think this is about government or its decision. The question is would society be accepting of public homosexual or even bisexual behaviour? How will this affect the youth? How will this affect adults? Will those affects be tolerated by the statuesque?

Both Homosexuality and bisexuality goes beyond skin colour so to blame a race for this type of behaviour is irrational. In history it is documented that both homosexual and bisexual behaviour was present and in some cases to a violent degree forced upon others.

The fact that it was forced upon others in early days is a rude reminder that those who have power will use it and those who oppose power will suffer for it.

What goes on in the bedroom stays in the bedroom but once it enters public domain it becomes a public debate. As it stands now it is clear that we have entered the public debate stage.

The more pressing question and perhaps the more alarming question if this type of sexual orientation is accepted, then it gives others the right also to lobby for there sexual orientation preferences and this is where government has to be careful because the people have a right to be protected as well.

[adrianh]

Are you drunk?

[AndyD]

...What goes on in the bedroom stays in the bedroom but once it enters public domain it becomes a public debate.

There's always been tons of legislation prohibiting things that might go on in the bedroom. You can't have sex with someone who's under 16 and you can't have sex with your sister, preventing same gender sexual acts is an extension of these laws.

Does anyone actually know what the new laws are prohibiting? Are they only prohibiting gay sexual acts or are they prohibiting people actually declaring themselves gay?

Are you drunk?

Nope but I'm working on it.

[adrianh]

I had to ask because your thinking is absurd. So Castor Symenya chose to have both male and female genetalia. Homosexuality is as much a choice as schizophrenia is.

It is beyond me how people are still unable to fathom how gender / sexuality / sexual orientation works. So tell me, what should a boy do who has the psycological make up of a girl (at birth), or, what should a girl do who is in all ways a girl except she also happens to have a willy, or, what should a girl do who has zero attraction towards a man.

Who in the hell are we to judge, Ellen DeGeneres and Portia De Rossi are perfectly normal beautiful women who happen to prefer one another to being with men.

My friend, the world should be built on tolerance, tolerence for the way God made other people. My gay brother in law is married to his partner and both my teenege daughters were ring bearers at their wedding. I defend their right to live their lives as they choose and I taught my girls to be accepting of people who are made different.

I cannot begin to imagine how small-minded a person mas to be to be bothered about the sexual orientation of consenting adults, it's simply none of our business.

I stand for the rights of adults to love whomever they choose.

[Hermes14]

Fagots that keep to themselves is a different story.
If a transgender is in public & needs to go to the toilet, which toilet do they go to?
If they have committed a crime & need to be incarcerated which correctional facility do you send them to?

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/361317/girls-allegedly-harassed-transgender-student-bathroom-threatened-hate-crime-charges-if

How do you feel about a transgenders harassing little girls in bathrooms?
If you went out for the evening & met this person who you thought is a woman.
You take her home & the next morning it tells you that it was a man & had a sex change?A few months back I read a news article about a woman that was raped in prison by a transgender who was in the process of getting a sex change & still had his penis attached. I will try & see if I can find that article for you?