DA Policies?

[dix]

If Marq doesn't mind us talking about these issues as you have raised such

To begin San people we call them Abathwa of which we Xhosa's descended straight from them as I have mentioned in the anti gay law as a comment, they are Africans and it's not right to separate them from us and moreover there was never wars among us but the fabricated lies of white people to separate us, the only difference is that they love to hunt and they are too peaceful and is the reason other black tribes praise Xhosa's of being peaceful but intelligent at the same time and you will notice if you know Xhosa's there is strong intermarriage between Xhosa's and Khoi people (San people is the name which we believe that because boors never fought against the Khoi people then they called them buy their gods (San/Sun).

As United Party is concerned, during it's formation why is it that they never supported ANC if they were against the Apartheid government and how did they benefited from that government if they were against the government as we.

Don't mean to disrespect anyone but this United Party is not worth of research, in the first place it was a white led party in the land of Africans and secondly there was once a merger between that United Party and NP/DA

Infect if you think they stood for any good, where did they disappear to? if not DA/NP

[dix]

I don't doubt my experiences and my abilities, that include my reasoning ability, is the reason I'm claiming to be old

[ians]

I used to feel this way as well, until you see what they have done in Cape Town. The roads, the public transport, the cleanliness etc et. They have a function for example in Seapoint - a night race or cycle race - the place is spotless by the morning after the cleanup ! They are def doing something right down there.

They are working on it in Durban, been riding at 6 am on the weekends. Durban beachfront is a disgrace in the early hours. I filmed my route with a go pro camera. I decided not to waste my time editing it. The filth, rubbish, the stench of piss, people sleeping on the grass banks, using the showers to wash, drunken fools causing trouble with my wife while she was walking, it is shocking.

But on a positive note, there are police patrolling, hundreds of people walking cycling, doing group work outs, it is a buzz. There are fun runs from Sun coast. Good breakfast with excellent service at Circus Circus beach café. The coffee guys at the grass patch make a decent cup of coffee. With the bike and bean further on the north beach side, you could spend a R100 before you get to Blue lagoon. You then have to work off all the coffee and breakfast.

I am finding it is getting a little congested in the mornings. They are going to have to sort out cycle lanes up and down. Went up to Umhlanga to see if we could ride along the beach, not allowed bicycles along the promenade.

[Dave A]

Don't mean to disrespect anyone but this United Party is not worth of research

If you don't know anything of them, how would you know?

And on the subject of respect, you might consider that continuing to imply that the DA and the NP are one and the same thing in the face of significant proof to the contrary is, in fact, disrespectful (whether it's intended or not).

[HR Solutions]

If you don't know anything of them, how would you know?

And on the subject of respect, you might consider that continuing to imply that the DA and the NP are one and the same thing in the face of significant proof to the contrary is, in fact, disrespectful (whether it's intended or not).

Thanks Dave

[pmbguy]

To begin San people we call them Abathwa of which we Xhosa's descended straight from them as I have mentioned in the anti gay law as a comment, they are Africans and it's not right to separate them from us and moreover there was never wars among us but the fabricated lies of white people to separate us, the only difference is that they love to hunt and they are too peaceful and is the reason other black tribes praise Xhosa's of being peaceful but intelligent at the same time and you will notice if you know Xhosa's there is strong intermarriage between Xhosa's and Khoi people (San people is the name which we believe that because boors never fought against the Khoi people then they called them buy their gods (San/Sun).

Sorry Dix, but I must correct you. The Xhosa are Nguni who moved from central Africa, from the great lakes to be specific. Xhosa shares its Nguni heritage with others like the Sawzi, Phuthi and Zulu. The Xhosa language is closely related to Zulu and other Nguni languages. isiXhosa famously has fifteen click sounds, originally borrowed from the San. The “borrowing” occurred when the Xhosa pushed into San territory in the east (Current day Eastern Cape). Through conflict and absorption, the San language and culture died in that area.

The Koi and the San have a similar language to each other, but separate cultures. Khoisan languages are completely different to that of the Nguni tribes. Their culture was/is also completely different. They are genetically different and have a different physical appearance. In all respects an autonomous separate culture to the Nguni.

I reject your statement that the Xhosa are direct descendants of the San/Khoisan. More correctly stated, they are Nguni who, through the occupation of San territory, acquired some San genetics and clicking sounds to the language.

[Dave A]

Perhaps we should really try to get back to this -

I started this thread with the idea that the opposition was pandering to the supporters of the main party and questioned its focus.

I tend to agree with Marq - it would seem they are pandering.

The question is whether they've lost sight of the goal that we might achieve a genuinely non-racial society one day. Perhaps some see it as a means to getting a step closer...?
Dunno.

All I can say is whatever they've got going on in the back of their mind, it's hard to imagine it could be more racially discriminating than this brewing mess looming on the EE front.

When historians look back, they will identify this almost unnoticed development as the moment when Verwoerdian racial engineering returned to South Africa, with a vengeance, as official government policy in a democratic South Africa.

The "story" I am referring to are the regulations, issued at the end of February by Labour Minister Mildred Oliphant, in terms of the Employment Equity Amendment Act.

These regulations require that companies that employ more than 150 people use the demographics of the "national economically active population" to fill positions in the three upper levels (top and senior management and professionally qualified) and an average of national and regional demographics for the three lower levels (skilled, semi-skilled and unskilled technical) when determining employment equity targets.

This means that, although coloured people in the Western Cape make up 49% of the population, they may only comprise 9% of professional and senior staff levels in any enterprise or institution. And the same applies to the Northern Cape, where coloured people constitute 40% of the population.

In KZN, where Indians make up 7% of the demographic profile, they should not be represented in a proportion of more than 2,5% in the top three levels of any enterprise.

Someone remind me again - what's the definition of "fair" racial discrimination?

[Marq]

As United Party is concerned, during it's formation why is it that they never supported ANC if they were against the Apartheid government and how did they benefited from that government if they were against the government as we.

Don't mean to disrespect anyone but ..............

Here I go, sprouting out and disrespecting anyway.


This is like saying - well the EFF is against the ANC and so is the AWB - so they must have the same ideals and principles so should be together and oh ...they must be all benefiting from the ANC......look at all these opposition parties raking it in thanks to the ANC.

This is the continual illogical rubbish coming out and then is still continuing with

in the first place it was a white led party in the land of Africans and secondly there was once a merger between that United Party and NP/DA

Thats after he has been told to go and do some research.

As the Dragons say.....I'm out.

[pmbguy]

Perhaps we should really try to get back to this -

I tend to agree with Marq - it would seem they are pandering.

The question is whether they've lost sight of the goal that we might achieve a genuinely non-racial society one day. Perhaps some see it as a means to getting a step closer...?
Dunno.

All I can say is whatever they've got going on in the back of their mind, it's hard to imagine it could be more racially discriminating than this brewing mess looming on the EE front.


Someone remind me again - what's the definition of "fair" racial discrimination?

Zille

“The regulations show how the national government will measure "equitable representation" -- on the basis of national demographics, irrespective of regional population ratios...... This means that, although coloured people in the Western Cape make up 49% of the population, they may only comprise 9% of professional and senior staff levels in any enterprise or institution...
...We will continue to implement rational employment equity policies, but we will certainly oppose racial quotas in every way possible. We will continue ensuring that every hard-working, dedicated and qualified individual has a fair chance to build their career...
...In the DA we will continue to expose the decline of a once honourable organisation into a racist oligarchy, whose leaders prey on the poor to feed themselves”

ANC policy is Racist Democracy. DA Policy is Democracy. Simple as that.

[Dave A]

ANC policy is Racist Democracy.

There certainly is increasing evidence that points that way.

DA Policy is Democracy. Simple as that.

Meh - In a thread that has shown the importance of foundation, I must in fairness ask - where's the evidence?

[pmbguy]

Meh - In a thread that has shown the importance of foundation, I must in fairness ask - where's the evidence?

Evidence? I can only look at their policies

The DA is against the racist undemocratic laws of the ANC like the employment quota system. The DA is democratic because it’s essential policy is one of true equality regardless of race. This true equality is key to democracy if not democracy itself.

In equal fairness can anybody produce evidence/policy that the DA is undemocratic?

[Dave A]

OK. So how are they going to implement BEE?

[dix]

Here I go, sprouting out and disrespecting anyway.


This is like saying - well the EFF is against the ANC and so is the AWB - so they must have the same ideals and principles so should be together and oh ...they must be all benefiting from the ANC......look at all these opposition parties raking it in thanks to the ANC.

This is the continual illogical rubbish coming out and then is still continuing with

Thats after he has been told to go and do some research.

As the Dragons say.....I'm out.

Thanks for quoting my questions, others preferred to ignore them and asked a question from a question, perhaps you have answers?

[pmbguy]

OK. So how are they going to implement BEE?

tricky, my thoughts so far...

The DA will obviously have a long term plan, so if they ever won an election I suspect they will keep bbbee as promised, but they will at least start to address some of its biggest flaws. In a second term they might amend bbbee appropriately.

I think that where we see DA and ANC policy overlap is often where the DA is simply pushing for votes, not necessarily reflecting true long term DA policy.

The DA has to choose their battles carefully. They can’t try and change all ANC policies in one swoop, they have to compromise in order to succeed. If they are successful they will make less and less compromises until true equality is reached.

The DA maintains that some form of bbbee is needed because frankly it is, the aim is to make it work so that one day we don't need it anymore. Reaching this stage without destroying the country in the process like the ANC is doing. The DA will almost certainly run bbbee better, Less corruption, less damaging to business in SA etc

[dix]

Sorry Dix, but I must correct you. The Xhosa are Nguni who moved from central Africa, from the great lakes to be specific. Xhosa shares its Nguni heritage with others like the Sawzi, Phuthi and Zulu. The Xhosa language is closely related to Zulu and other Nguni languages. isiXhosa famously has fifteen click sounds, originally borrowed from the San. The “borrowing” occurred when the Xhosa pushed into San territory in the east (Current day Eastern Cape). Through conflict and absorption, the San language and culture died in that area.

The Koi and the San have a similar language to each other, but separate cultures. Khoisan languages are completely different to that of the Nguni tribes. Their culture was/is also completely different. They are genetically different and have a different physical appearance. In all respects an autonomous separate culture to the Nguni.

I reject your statement that the Xhosa are direct descendants of the San/Khoisan. More correctly stated, they are Nguni who, through the occupation of San territory, acquired some San genetics and clicking sounds to the language.

The Africans hardly wright down their history and it was done by the arrival of western people by picking up what they called facts but we hardly had any history of our own written down, that is why I'm telling you this is a fabricated story you did read and remember the boors have been separating black people since their arrival in Africa, you don't have to look back very hard (IFP was continuously supplied with weapons that they fight the Xhosa people, you can find that on internet, and all other many tribal problems we have starting with South Africa and our African brothers, for these days they are called foreigners but according to our ideology as Africans they were never called so untill the arrival of the western people.

Lastly Abathwa/Khoi people are hunters, therefore they move around a lot and so if you meet them around Western Cape it is because of hunting just like they were seeking to hunt cattle's in the Eastern Cape.

Ask any Khoi whom do they closely relate to in these African tribes, perhaps that will help you and I'm first reference because I was born through Xhosa parents (That is called hearing from the horses mouth in English)