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  • Citizen X
    Diamond Member

    • Sep 2011
    • 3411

    #16
    The conflict between North and South Sudan, This is the lengthiest conflict on our continent of Africa. The human rights violations on both sides demonstrate what I mean when I say I’m concerned with humanitarian/ human rights issues. This conflict is not one between Black and White yet thousands of families have been displaced over the years, thousands have lost their lives and still thousands are living in abject misery. The economy has been decimated by this conflict, as concerned as we are with etolling, their very infrastructure has been largely destroyed. This is a humanitarian crisis and the real tragedy is that there does not seem be a quick resolution to this crisis based on how many years have already been lost to this conflict…
    “Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm." Winston Churchill
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    • gac
      Bronze Member

      • Dec 2011
      • 175

      #17
      To answer Vanash's 1st Question, NO I am not comfortable and certainly will not vote for an inefficient (guilty of all those shortcomings Vanash mentions).

      Like Blurock & Wynn I vote for the opposition and think I will keep doing so until there is no majority. Majority Rule historically creates Dictatorships with all the ills that go hand-in-hand with it. Ruling Politics is a business sadly and politicians (generally) are in it for the money, so getting into and staying in power offers a financially lucrative opportunity. Say no more.

      Racism seems to me to be the ultimate rersponse when one's back is to the wall and one has no reasonably acceptable answer. Very noticeably it appears to be an accusation only applicable to whites when in fact it cannot be so by definition. It is a very useful political defensive term used to illicit black unity against whites in SA and distract attention from the core issue. It seems to have far less effect these days than it had 15 years ago, so its only a matter of time before the politicians are going to have to inventsomething else to "hide" their nonsense.

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      • tec0
        Diamond Member

        • Jun 2009
        • 4624

        #18
        Source


        AfriForum Youth laid a charge of intimidation against ANC Youth League deputy president Ronald Lamola on Wednesday over comments he made about land reform.

        "AfriForum Youth hopes to achieve justice with this charge against Ronald Lamola, because statements that instigate hatred have a ripple effect on communities and sow further division," spokesperson Charl Oberholzer said in a statement.

        The charge of intimidation was laid at the Brooklyn police station in Pretoria and a case number would be issued soon, Oberholzer said.

        Brooklyn police station spokesperson Warrant Officer Annabelle Middleton confirmed that a charge had been laid and that it had been referred to the Lyttelton police station.

        On Tuesday, Lamola called for the Constitution to be changed to allow the expropriation of land without compensation.

        He warned that if white South Africans did not hand over land to poor blacks, there could be land invasions like those that took place in Zimbabwe.

        He was briefing the media at the St George's Hotel in Irene, Pretoria, following an African National Congress Youth League policy workshop, ahead of the ANC's policy conference later this month.

        Oberholzer said the ANCYL did not belong in South Africa if it made such statements.

        "Not only are such statements criminal, but they are also immoral and racist," he said

        AfriForum said it would also lay criminal charges against Lamola and take the matter to the Equality Court.

        AfriForum's legal representative Willie Spies said Lamola's comments amounted to hate speech and fell within the definition of incitement to violence.

        Spies said Lamola specifically referred to "the Van Tonders and the Van der Merwes on farms" and warned that their safety could not be guaranteed.

        The agricultural union Tau SA said it was "disgusted" by Lamola's comments and would file a complaint with the SA Human Rights Commission.

        "Tau SA has instructed its legal team to start with the strongest possible measures against Lamola, the ANCYL, the ANC and its president."

        ANCYL spokesperson Magdalene Moonsamy said the groups needed to be "ready for the fight of their lives".

        "We welcome this battle, and we will not retreat. We are adamant that this issue of land cannot be negotiated, and at no point will we back down," she said.

        The ANCYL later issued a statement calling AfriForum "the defender of white privilege".

        "We reaffirm the statement made by [Lamola] that those who continue to hold land which was illegally and immorally taken away from the indigenous people of South Africa must voluntarily co-operate with the ANC-led government [to] ensure swift and equitable redistribution of such land to the masses of our people."

        The ANCYL again warned that it might not be able to stem the impatience of millions of landless South Africans.

        "Such a precautionary note raising the hopeless plight of our people, blacks in general and Africans in particular, can only be construed as an incitement to violence... by those hell-bent to protect white minority privilege at the expense of the black majority."

        The Democratic Alliance called on the government to reject the ANCYL's calls for changes to the Constitution to allow the expropriation of land without compensation.

        "It must declare its support of the constitutionally enshrined assurance of security of tenure and protection of private property rights," DA MP Athol Trollip said in a statement.

        He said calls for expropriation undermined the government's efforts to attract investment, to grow the economy and to create jobs.

        Trollip said it was repugnant that Lamola's comments were given any publicity.

        "Lamola's specific reference to the 'Van Tonders and Van der Merwes' having to hand over their land is tantamount to a declaration of 'war' based on ethnicity," Trollip said.
        or is it?

        Is it not also true that there are many minorities that cannot afford land?
        peace is a state of mind
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        • adrianh
          Diamond Member

          • Mar 2010
          • 6328

          #19
          Lets think about this, so now each and every person owns a 100m^2 of land....ok, what then.

          It seems that those clever young people think that land is like the earth's breast.....milk, in the form of wealth just gushes forth forever from each and every square meter....

          What hapens in reality is that they take the land and then either sell, or rent it back to the farmer. This issue has nothing to do with land, it has to do with money. They think that having land gives them a fixed asset that is easily converted into cash...nothing more...nothing less.

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          • Blurock
            Diamond Member

            • May 2010
            • 4203

            #20
            There is no country in the world that prospers where property rights are not secure and guaranteed. You mess with property rights and you disappear into the abyss...! You only need to look at Zim to understand the real risk. No further explanation required!
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            • wynn
              Diamond Member

              • Oct 2006
              • 3338

              #21
              Originally posted by tec0
              or is it?

              Is it not also true that there are many minorities that cannot afford land?
              The question is 'Why do they want the farmers land and not vacant land?'

              Adrianh has answered that question.
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              • tec0
                Diamond Member

                • Jun 2009
                • 4624

                #22
                Well it is not a race thing. I spend a day in Botswana speaking to the people there and they themselves said that there are elements that is designed to promote fear, hate and to promote murder and violence.

                The man I spoke to a "business man" said he likes to do business with South African minorities. He said that there was bad apples but in general he welcomes minorities because he thinks that working side by side that Africa can grow. I tend to agree with him.

                But as seen in the above statements that was found in the media it is a shining example to promote everything that is bad. We don’t need it and I wish government and the people will realise this. This is not about existing farms. Why isn't there new developments? Why can't both the majority and the minority go and ask for "NEW" farm land and develop it with some aid?

                Again a very important question?
                peace is a state of mind
                Disclaimer: everything written by me can be considered as fictional.

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                • Citizen X
                  Diamond Member

                  • Sep 2011
                  • 3411

                  #23
                  "The more things change, the more they stay the same."
                  “Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm." Winston Churchill
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                  • Citizen X
                    Diamond Member

                    • Sep 2011
                    • 3411

                    #24
                    Be grateful that the former Apartheid government did not unleash its military might on South Africans!
                    This should be a no brainer! BUT why people don’t realise this or show some gratitude is beyond me! Look at Syria! If the former Apartheid government as atrocious as they were, unleased the military on us, then most of our homes and infrastructure would have by necessity been destroyed! Insurance doesn’t cover acts of war or civil war! Apartheid can never be justified, that’s not what I’m doing here, I merely directing your attention to the fact that the government of the day let go of power peacefully and modestly when, based on what we see in Syria, they didn’t have to do
                    1. At the end of an epic battle, the White minority of Sa took the moral high ground, they done this in a gentlemanly manner without property, and infrastructure being destroyed;2. You take a good look at Syria, the regime, is defiant even as at today’s date; in this defiance, citizens homes, businesses, schools and roads are being destroyed! Peple are displaced and live are lost;
                    3. Now in stark contrast, the Apartheid regime done the right thing by not being indifferent to a Constitutional democracy!
                    4. I see a situation where reverse racism is taking place, and for the lack of a better term or words punishment or retribution against the White minority and this is wrong
                    5. Affirmative action: I acknowledge that it’s necessary to redress past unfairness’s But, all members of the White community born after 1994 should be excluded from this policy of differentiation as they are products of the new South Africa and cannot answer for what their grandparents done or didn’t do;
                    6. Yes, the apartheid government was unjust and did deny us our basic human rights but they also let go of power in a gentlemanly fashion without destroying houses, businesses, displacing families etc…
                    So, in my layman’s opinion, I think Sa needs to relook the events that led up to our democracy and also concede that we had a peaceful transition, at the very least I'm grateful for what the Apartheid gov did not do as opposed to what they done! The past is just that, the past, yes, there’s reasonable pain from atrocities, there’s valid arguments for redressing past unfairness which doing on a daily basis, look at what happened in Libiya, no peaceful transition and a trail of destroyed homes, businesses and infrastructure.
                    I remain for humanitarian causes, there's no race card behind any human being ungoing oppression and uncertainty, how can you really have true peace of mind with comments such as :-"Johannesburg - South Africa is an Irish-coffee society, African National Congress secretary general Gwede Mantashe said on Wednesday.
                    “The black is at the bottom and white on top with a sprinkling of chocolate,” Mantashe said in Newtown, Johannesburg. ssed..We hear our leaders say reckless things such as South Africa is like Irish coffee..the connotation clear...In true nation building leaders don't talk like this, it leaves uncertainty of what you trying to say..the political line apparently is 'working together we can do more!"
                    “Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm." Winston Churchill
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                    • Blurock
                      Diamond Member

                      • May 2010
                      • 4203

                      #25
                      The reality is that white people have voted in a referendum to allow other races an equal opportunity and transition of government. The majority of those white people were not ANC followers, but belonged to the different parties, including the Nationalist party at the time. It was our choice, because that was the right thing to do, not because of political ideology (idiocy?).

                      The reality is that we have lived apart for so long and have had little knowledge of how the other half lived. We have become insensitive and took things for granted. Our leaders have lied to us (on both sides). They have mislead us into believing that the "other side" is a threat. The reality is that we are all South Africans. Unfortunately there are still people (black and white) fuelling this fire for their own stupid and selfish objectives.

                      While politicians are stoking the fire, people on the ground are getting along fine and are doing business and sharing resources. The people of South Africa are great. The politicians are the problem, and that includes every one of them.
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                      • Citizen X
                        Diamond Member

                        • Sep 2011
                        • 3411

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Blurock
                        While politicians are stoking the fire, people on the ground are getting along fine and are doing business and sharing resources. The people of South Africa are great. The politicians are the problem, and that includes every one of them.
                        A very good morning to you Blurock! I agree, People on the ground are getting along fine, I see, allbeit from a seubjective perspective that the vast majority of South Africans simply want to get on with their lives and live, work and study together. Nation Building can never rightfully said to include inuendo about this race or that race. Our leaders should promote Ubuntu!
                        “Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm." Winston Churchill
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                        • Dave A
                          Site Caretaker

                          • May 2006
                          • 22807

                          #27
                          I see nothing wrong with this picture.

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                          The Class of 2012 (and with them our future) is looking good

                          Provided the current crop of colour sensitive politicians do not infect them with their predjudice.
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                          • Blurock
                            Diamond Member

                            • May 2010
                            • 4203

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Dave A
                            I see nothing wrong with this picture.

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                            The Class of 2012 (and with them our future) is looking good

                            Provided the current crop of colour sensitive politicians do not infect them with their predjudice.
                            This looks more like Tutu and Mandela's Rainbow Nation. Time for the people to take South Africa back from the politicians.
                            Excellence is not a skill; its an attitude...

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                            • Citizen X
                              Diamond Member

                              • Sep 2011
                              • 3411

                              #29
                              A very good morning to you Blurock! I couldn't agree more! South Africa is for all South Africans regardless of their race, religion, gender etc. A humanitarian can never have race in mind, if a man is hungry, you don't cross examine him as to his race or religion befor you give him something to eat, you simply help him!
                              “Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm." Winston Churchill
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                              • pieksie
                                Full Member
                                • Oct 2012
                                • 26

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Blurock
                                This looks more like Tutu and Mandela's Rainbow Nation. Time for the people to take South Africa back from the politicians.
                                Rainbow nation is just a pipe dream. It doesn't work ANYWHERE in the world. How is it supposed to work in a third world country if it doesn't even work in the first world countries?

                                I just can't help being racist in this country and no..it's not because my parents told me to hate. It is because we are being murdered every single day.

                                This country can go to hell. Every day I get a little more gatvol to see another farm murder / attack. With other words every day I get a little more racist.

                                It is just a matter of time before civil war starts. The only question is when?

                                But keep dreaming about a rainbow nation that never existed and never will. If it'll make you feel better..

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