Racial groups!

[Citizen X]

Rainbow nation is just a pipe dream. It doesn't work ANYWHERE in the world. How is it supposed to work in a third world country if it doesn't even work in the first world countries?

I just can't help being racist in this country and no..it's not because my parents told me to hate. It is because we are being murdered every single day.

This country can go to hell. Every day I get a little more gatvol to see another farm murder / attack. With other words every day I get a little more racist.

It is just a matter of time before civil war starts. The only question is when?

But keep dreaming about a rainbow nation that never existed and never will. If it'll make you feel better..

A very good afternoon to you Pieksie,
Perhaps I’m naïve, but I sincerely believe that Blacks, Whites, Indians and Coloureds can live, work and study together in peace and harmony. To understand your perspective better, I need to put myself in your position and simply ask myself: How would I feel and react given the present circumstance? I suppose if I were in your position I too will feel despondent! That being said, I think that we should not generalize and realize that in each community you’ll will people with an attitude of indifference. I think we should not only think of ourselves but also of our kids, the next generation. I think we need to work with what we’ve got. I’m willing to accept that some farm murders are racially motivated but not all! You see the criminal is an opportunist, he/she takes advantage of a certain set of circumstances. Take Lucky Dube for instance, the individuals that murdered and hijacked him were Black and he is Black. They didn’t hesitate to murder him on the basis of race; they murdered him all the same!
If we revisit the xenophobic attacks, one can clearly see the criminal element. They were not concerned about xenophobia either way, but they spotted an easy target!
My ethos remains that people are people regardless of their race. I’m against any form of racism. I’m for content of character. I think that with the right leadership past injustice and bitterness that stems from such injustice can be resolved. I remain optimistic for the future! Civil war can never be a solution as it will destroy the lives we have. It will be a major set back.

[pieksie]

A very good afternoon to you Pieksie,
Perhaps I’m naïve, but I sincerely believe that Blacks, Whites, Indians and Coloureds can live, work and study together in peace and harmony. To understand your perspective better, I need to put myself in your position and simply ask myself: How would I feel and react given the present circumstance? I suppose if I were in your position I too will feel despondent! That being said, I think that we should not generalize and realize that in each community you’ll will people with an attitude of indifference. I think we should not only think of ourselves but also of our kids, the next generation. I think we need to work with what we’ve got. I’m willing to accept that some farm murders are racially motivated but not all! You see the criminal is an opportunist, he/she takes advantage of a certain set of circumstances. Take Lucky Dube for instance, the individuals that murdered and hijacked him were Black and he is Black. They didn’t hesitate to murder him on the basis of race; they murdered him all the same!
If we revisit the xenophobic attacks, one can clearly see the criminal element. They were not concerned about xenophobia either way, but they spotted an easy target!
My ethos remains that people are people regardless of their race. I’m against any form of racism. I’m for content of character. I think that with the right leadership past injustice and bitterness that stems from such injustice can be resolved. I remain optimistic for the future! Civil war can never be a solution as it will destroy the lives we have. It will be a major set back.

I used to share your view. And yes, there are bad white people as there is good black people. No one can deny that fact, it is just common sense

Of course black people also gets murdered by blacks. Whites murder whites. That is not the point.

With a government that actively promotes racism. That actually promotes hate speech and killing of whites it should be very concerning.

The majority of black south africans will always vote for the ANC. Even educated ones feel they are obligated to vote for them because they destroyed the "evil apartheid". So I guess you get what you vote for. A terrorist organization with the slogan liberation before eduction it can't get any better than this.

Why is Julius Malema STILL giving speeches under banners of the ANC YL and actually says blood will flow!? Did the president or any members of the ANC speak out against this? Did Mantashe not openly declared war against farmers by warning them another marikana will happen?

Yes, I would love for us to hold hands and sing lullabye's all day under the shinning bright sun. But unfortunatly, I am a realist. That dream died a long time ago.

[Citizen X]

I used to share your view. And yes, there are bad white people as there is good black people. No one can deny that fact, it is just common sense


With a government that actively promotes racism. That actually promotes hate speech and killing of whites it should be very concerning.


Why is Julius Malema STILL giving speeches under banners of the ANC YL and actually says blood will flow!? Did the president or any members of the ANC speak out against this? Did Mantashe not openly declared war against farmers by warning them another marikana will happen?

Yes, I would love for us to hold hands and sing lullabye's all day under the shinning bright sun. But unfortunatly, I am a realist. That dream died a long time ago.

What is worrying is that Mugabe is actually having a say in our country through the mouth of Julius Malema. It seems that Julius Malema is in actual fact a mouth piece for Mugabe. Yes, indeed all songs that talk about killing anyone has no place in a Consititutional democracry. The Government is a custodian of the Constitution, they should no better than to use innuendo to make any community feel uneasy about their future, what happened, good or bad happened. We need to move on....

[vieome]

Arrogance Nepotism Corruption, will that lead to racial harmony.
Malcom X " the hate that hate produced"

White Hate = Apartied=Black Hate =Farm deaths=white hate for farm deaths =civil war. Where the F does it end. It ends with YOU. Be the change you want to see.

[Citizen X]

Arrogance Nepotism Corruption, will that lead to racial harmony.
Malcom X " the hate that hate produced"

White Hate = Apartied=Black Hate =Farm deaths=white hate for farm deaths =civil war. Where the F does it end. It ends with YOU. Be the change you want to see.

Not just anyone will cite Malcolm X. The mere fact of you menting Malcolm X demonstrated that you a person with character! I'm actually very familiar with both Malcolm X and Marcus Garvey's life and writtings etc..
You've pulled out from the dusty pages of history someone very significant and interesting!
As Marley put it, " You running away, BUT, you can't run away from yourself!

[Blurock]

Arrogance Nepotism Corruption, will that lead to racial harmony.
Malcom X " the hate that hate produced"

White Hate = Apartied=Black Hate =Farm deaths=white hate for farm deaths =civil war. Where the F does it end. It ends with YOU. Be the change you want to see.

It is like the little boy who threw the sea stars back into the sea. You can not save everyone, but it does matter for those who actually reach the water. If we want change, we have to imagine change and act the part.

We can all influence the people around us in a positive way. We do not have to accept bad service. We do not have to accept corruption. We do not have to put up with nepotism and a bad government. We do not have to swear at other people or call them names. We can inform the illiterate about the lies politicians are feeding us. We can be strict, but fair to everyone. We can fight racism in all communities.

We can decide to build bridges or break down bridges. Where do you stand? Are you a builder or a breaker?

[pieksie]

It is like the little boy who threw the sea stars back into the sea. You can not save everyone, but it does matter for those who actually reach the water. If we want change, we have to imagine change and act the part.

We can all influence the people around us in a positive way. We do not have to accept bad service. We do not have to accept corruption. We do not have to put up with nepotism and a bad government. We do not have to swear at other people or call them names. We can inform the illiterate about the lies politicians are feeding us. We can be strict, but fair to everyone. We can fight racism in all communities.




We can decide to build bridges or break down bridges. Where do you stand? Are you a builder or a breaker?

Good luck with that! By the way, it is not only illiterate people that vote for and believe the politicians lies.

[Citizen X]

Good luck with that! By the way, it is not only illiterate people that vote for and believe the politicians lies.

Now here is where it gets bizarre, criminals can work together in a syndicate made up of Blacks, Whites, Indians and Coloureds. They work very well together when committing crime regardless of their individual race, so why can't people of different races who are not criminals also work together???

[Dave A]

I find you get what you expect most of the time.

Personally I'm not fussed about what race a person is at all, and strangely enough most of the time the people I meet aren't bothered by it either. Even the few that do seem to think it's an issue seem to settle down after a while. Unfortunately there are exceptions, but they don't seem to stay in my life very long for some reason.

Can't say I miss 'em.

[Blurock]

Now here is where it gets bizarre, criminals can work together in a syndicate made up of Blacks, Whites, Indians and Coloureds. They work very well together when committing crime regardless of their individual race, so why can't people of different races who are not criminals also work together???

We are my friend, we are. You just do not read about co-operation and good stuff in the newspapers because it is not sensation and therefore it is not newsworthy.

We even watch sport together. At the 2010 Currie Cup final at Kings Park I was surrounded by mostly coloured WP fans, painted faces, colourful outfits and flags, the lot. I was expecting the worst, but these guys were so well behaved, even when they were losing. There was a lot of heckling right from the start, but these guys were real gentlemen. Unlike their team who were real hooligans the last time they played here.

[pieksie]

Now here is where it gets bizarre, criminals can work together in a syndicate made up of Blacks, Whites, Indians and Coloureds. They work very well together when committing crime regardless of their individual race, so why can't people of different races who are not criminals also work together???

Well, I guess business is business lol!!

Can we work together? No, how long have we been a democracy now??

I was listening to Jacaranda and this guy who owns the good SA news website (or some website like that) who was most optimistic for the future of this country is not even so optimistic anymore. Although he claims he will always be positive, he did express some doubts.

Like I said in a previous post. Multi culturism doesnt even work in a first world country.

Will we ever be able to live peacefully together? No, not with our countries history (think a bit further than apartheid) and definitely never with this government!!! Look what is happening to other african countries. "Freedom fighters" almost always turns to dictators.

Just my opinions..

[Citizen X]

Well, I guess business is business lol!!

Can we work together? No, how long have we been a democracy now??

I was listening to Jacaranda and this guy who owns the good SA news website (or some website like that) who was most optimistic for the future of this country is not even so optimistic anymore. Although he claims he will always be positive, he did express some doubts.

Like I said in a previous post. Multi culturism doesnt even work in a first world country.

Will we ever be able to live peacefully together? No, not with our countries history (think a bit further than apartheid) and definitely never with this government!!! Look what is happening to other african countries. "Freedom fighters" almost always turns to dictators.

Just my opinions..

Good morning Pieksie

One must appreciate that the youth of today have totally different perspectives. I haven’t done any quantitative or qualitative research on this matter but I have observed at numerous occasion at cinemas, restaurants and other social settings an increase in interracial couples!
The vast majority of our youth don’t even care about politics. I agree that our Government in its present form is a shocking of a shambles of maladministration. The vast majority of service delivery protests comprise Black individuals and their anger is directed at the Government not anyone else. I really understand where you coming from, If I were really in your position; and lets state that position, there is reverse racism, constant innuendo about particular races from our leaders and the threat of land reform, then I must be honest, I’ll feel very despondent!
Take the Marikina massacre for instance, the use of Cyril’s ‘concomitant force is now called in question i.e. did he mean that the police must shoot those miners??? It’s too early to tell, but it seems like the media is involved. He is a board member of that mine. We have a class struggle in South Africa, the rich versus the poor and not actually a current racial struggle…just my 2 cents
This sentiment was expressed in song in the early 90’s by 2 Pac in the States..he attempted to highlight the true racial situation there…
“I see no changes all I see is racist faces
Misplaced hate makes disgrace to races
We under I wonder what it takes to make this
One better place, let's erase the wasted
Take the evil out the people they'll be acting right
'cause both black and white is smokin' crack tonight
And only time we chill is when we kill each other
It takes skill to be real, time to heal each other “

[tec0]

In the end it doesn’t really matters. It is clear to me that if you are a minority the worst possible death will be waiting for you. Just look at the news the facts are as they are. Our government denies that minority murders are a problem thus clearly stating they don’t care much.

It is also fact that despite the reality that slavery originated in other countries “NOT SOUTH AFRICA” and YES white people example the Irish was oppressed and abused by the mighty English Crown. It is simply dismissed.

The reality is the minority in South Africa is blamed for everything but no one takes the time and research to see where it all started.

Even today the English Crown remains bitter towards the minority South African and this is clearly shown in their absence. The UN doesn’t act why? Simple who controls the UN? The same people that killed children and women in concentration camps back in the day. The same people that made it law that a newlywed wife must first sleep with the Land lord.

Do the bit and go study the real history not the BS that they sell you. Go on chat-rooms ask people about the real history, the real stories. There you will find the truth as it really is. Not the truth that was written by the victor.

it is not about race it is about the supper powerful rich against the poor... That is the reality

[pieksie]

I actually do agree with you guys. It is more about class struggle! The rich gets richer and the poor gets poorer.

The kettle have boiled over a long time ago. All over the world.

I am a big "conspiracy theorist" --> Jip, one of those! And I truly believe if you look at what the super elite is planning that everything makes more sense. It is all about the NWO.

[Citizen X]

I actually do agree with you guys. It is more about class struggle! The rich gets richer and the poor gets poorer.

The kettle have boiled over a long time ago. All over the world.

I am a big "conspiracy theorist" --> Jip, one of those! And I truly believe if you look at what the super elite is planning that everything makes more sense. It is all about the NWO.

If you like conspiracy theories, we may have a very big one unfolding from the banks. Have a look at what Scotty has to say at this link:

http://www.theforumsa.co.za/forums/showthread.php/13295-New-Economic-Rights-Alliance-The-Big-Case/page2