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  • adrianh
    Diamond Member

    • Mar 2010
    • 6328

    #31


    I want all The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster holidays as well. We celebrate every day in the fervent hope that his Noodlyness cumeth in a saucer.

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    • tec0
      Diamond Member

      • Jun 2009
      • 4624

      #32
      Originally posted by adrianh
      http://www.venganza.org/about/open-letter/

      I want all The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster holidays as well. We celebrate every day in the fervent hope that his Noodlyness cumeth in a saucer.
      Now this is just being provocative now… There is no logic here no respect just a pi$$ing competition. I am out…

      As far as I am concerned, a public holiday is just that "a public holiday."
      peace is a state of mind
      Disclaimer: everything written by me can be considered as fictional.

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      • adrianh
        Diamond Member

        • Mar 2010
        • 6328

        #33
        If you read the letter then you'll see that there are millions of us...we also want our day off...

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        • tec0
          Diamond Member

          • Jun 2009
          • 4624

          #34
          Originally posted by adrianh
          If you read the letter then you'll see that there are millions of us...we also want our day off...
          In a way it missed the bar. Fact is atheist and theist debates are pointless because there worlds are so far apart. So now to proof a point both started to take up a political campaign and in the process they will most probably destroy each other.

          The debate is dead. Right now people are having a peeing contest and that is all it really is.
          peace is a state of mind
          Disclaimer: everything written by me can be considered as fictional.

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          • adrianh
            Diamond Member

            • Mar 2010
            • 6328

            #35
            You should respect my belief system otherwise you will be banned from having spaghetti with us pastafaria'rs.

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            • Citizen X
              Diamond Member

              • Sep 2011
              • 3411

              #36
              Rhetoric and dialogue can never be a bad thing! The mere fact that we can deal with this contentious issue on TFSA is testament in and of itself to freedom of expression. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Respect is of paramount importance. We need to address contentious issues. This matter is now in the public interest. The idea here is to use respectful discourse where we do express our individual opinions but also extend a courtesy of respect to everyone else’s opinions.
              1. I don’t think that this discussion is exhausted, yes, everyone is not sitting around the same camp fire on this issue, nothing wrong with that1 This will always be a thorny issue.
              2. All things considered, I have this to say: Religion is important, even brutal dictators who were atheist and oppressed every single religion that existed have acknowledged this. History is very clear on this!
              3. Joseph Stalin persecuted the Russian Orthodox Church to near extinction. However, realizes that for what ever reason religion can motivate people, Stalin legalized Christianity and other religions during world war 2. Stalin allowed the Church to be revived as a patriotic organization, and thousands of churches were reactivated;
              4. In the 18th century a noted atheist Voltaire set out to destroy Christianity. It was his intent to destroy Christianity and replace Christianity with a diffusion of irreligion and atheism. Voltaire articulated that the Bible was nothing more than a short term book, a fairy tale of sorts. He forecasted with great confidence that within a 100 years there would be no Bibles left on Earth! Ironically, 50 years after he died, the Geneva Bible Society bought his house which by a quick of history had a printing press. They used Voltaire’s house and his printing press to produce thousands of Bibles! 200 years after the death of Voltaire he is forgotten and the Bible is produced in the millions, the Bible is also trusted by more people today than was ever the case! A strong case I think!
              5. Even if people don’t want to testify about Jesus and Biblical events, that’s perfectly fine, as inanimate objects such as stones will then testify! The great pyramid of the Pharaoh Cheops can testify that this pyramid was already 1000 years old when Abraham passed by it to claim his inheritance in Canaan! When Joseph brought his sons and his father Jacob to Egypt they settled in the shadow of this very pyramid! These pyramids have witnessed the oppression of the Israelites and the exodus under Moses. These pyramids witnessed the infant Jesus in his flight from Herod!
              6. Forever is relative to how long you will live, so if you live for another 80 years, then, this thread on TFSA will be resolved one way or another as when you take your last breath on this Earth you will know the truth one way or another. You’ll know if you were right or if you were wrong in your opinions and inferences. So you will get your answers, just be patient. When you die, you’ll know if what I had spoken was the truth or whether it was a lie!
              7. Biblically, God has given mankind seven annual festivals, or feasts, or holy days on which to worship and honor Him. Jesus himself observed these days and so too did the Apostle Paul. These 7 holy days(not holidays) did not include Christmas and Easter. The Apostle Paul was an astute and articulate man. He could have simply said in one of his many letters or publics addresses something along the following linesLMy own words1) ‘Guys, we have now formed teh church, from this day forth you will celebrate Easter and Christmas, Easter and Christmas are new holy days and by the way the Sabbath is no longer on Saturday, just change it to Sunday. Please disregard the fact that Jesus, observed 7 holy days, observed the Sabbath. Please understand that he was tired on certain days and did not have the time to tell you to celebrate Christmas and Easter”





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              • Citizen X
                Diamond Member

                • Sep 2011
                • 3411

                #37
                Quality decision: I have made a quality decision not to submit my objection to the (CRL), on the basis that what the next man or woman does or doesn’t do is none of my business! I’m not against public holidays. Christmas and Easter are nice HOLIDAYS but they are not holy days. They were never holy days, they are not holy days and they will never ever become holy days.
                1. Jesus was against religion. He demonstrated this on numerous occasions in the Bible. I’ll give you one example in my words, but you can refer to both the old and new testament for confirmation and assurance that I’m not taking things out of context and putting my own meaning into scripture!
                2. During Jesus ministry, every single Jewish person by virtue of what their religion said, knew how to deal with a disobedient son. Their religion was very clear on the steps to be taken. Their religion gave them specific methods in the old testament on how to deal with any disobedient son. You simply took this disobedient son to the outer gates of the city, beat the hell out of him and then stone him to death. No one could tell any Jewish person of that day about what religion said about a disobedient son,as they were very familiar with their religion!!!
                3. Jesus starts to tell them this story of this disobedient son. I’m confident that as soon as Jesus started speaking on this issue of a disobedient son, the sentiment must have been, ‘tell us something we don’t know), instead of confirming the religious requirement of stoning a disobedient son to death. Jesus say, despite the fact that this son squandered his inheritance and lived a terrible life drinking etc, his father took him back, gave him a ring, gave him sandals, the best robe that was available and ordered a celebration!!!! This was a huge departure from what the religious requirements were i.e. stone him to death!!!!!So there you have it, I’ve illustrated sufficiently how Jesus himself was against religion and not for religion!!!
                4. Certain ignorant pastors, Christians, bible school students and bible school graduates: I’ve often heard with disgust how the aforementioned describe the Biblical ‘tax collector,’ and attempt to create parallels with SARS. I’ve got news for you! The Jewish people were not against the concept of paying tax and they were not against tax collectors! Let’s put this in context: In Jesus time, Jerusalem was in essence a colony of Rome. All tax collected was sent to Rome for the benefit of Rome. This money was not used to maintain the infrastructures or better the lives of Jews in Jerusalem. Rome chose Jewish people an employees to basically collect tax for Rome on commission. This is what angered the Jewish people! The tax was going to Rome, the tax collector was Jewish and was making a commission on the tax he collected from his fellow Jewish people. This was why tax collectors were hated!
                5. It only takes a few seconds to become a bona fide Christian in the eyes of God. You don’t have to be born a Christian and you most certainly don’t need some special ceremony to make things official. This 1 requirement of becoming a Christian can be found in Romans 10:9-13. In short if you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that Jesus Christ is the son of God and was raised from the dead, you will be saved. It’s as simple and clear as that!!!!
                This is my final post on this thread!
                “Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm." Winston Churchill
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                • Blurock
                  Diamond Member

                  • May 2010
                  • 4203

                  #38
                  There appears to be a lot of ignorance and confusion about religion and religious holidays. I am not a preacher or the most knowledgeable about the Bible, but this is what I have learnt;

                  1. Jesus was not against religion - he was against the church leaders who practised their own twisted form of religion for their own benefit (which still happens to this day). Also why wars are fought in the name of religion?

                  2. Jesus could not celebrate Christmas, as it only became a religious festival (to counter pagan festivals) long after his death. To Christians, Christmas has a deeper meaning that the tinsel and commercialisation that we have gotten used to. It is definitely not a holiday, so do not wish me happy holidays at Christmas time. I will be deeply offended!

                  3. The Passover was observed by Jesus (Remember the painting of the Last Supper?)
                  Easter is a continuation of Passover, a Jewish religious festival instituted by God. It also had a prophetical meaning and pointed to the promise of the Messiah. This prophesy was fulfilled when Jesus was crucified and is celebrated today as Easter and as Holy Communion.

                  If you want to read more about it;

                  1. Exodus 34 (Whole Chapter)
                  2. Leviticus 23 (Whole Chapter)
                  3. Numbers 9,28,33 (Whole Chapter)
                  4. Numbers 33:2-4 (in Context)
                  5. Deuteronomy 16:1-6
                  6. Joshua 5 (whole chapter)
                  7. 2 Kings 23:20-24 (in Context)
                  8. 2 Chronicles 30:1-6
                  9. 2 Chronicles 35:18-20
                  10. Ezra 6:18-20
                  11. Ezekiel 45:20-22
                  12. Matthew 26 (Whole Chapter) The Last Supper
                  13. Mark 14 (Whole Chapter) The Last Supper
                  14. Luke 2:40-42
                  15. Luke 22
                  16. John 2
                  17. John 2:22-24 (in Context) John 2 (Whole Chapter)
                  18. John 4:44-46
                  19. John 6:3-5
                  20. John 11:54-56
                  21. John 12:1-3
                  22. John 13:1-3
                  23. John 18:27-29
                  24. John 18:38-40
                  25. John 19:13-15
                  26. Acts 12:3-5
                  27. 1 Corinthians 5:6-8
                  28. Hebrews 11:27-29
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                  • Citizen X
                    Diamond Member

                    • Sep 2011
                    • 3411

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Blurock
                    There appears to be a lot of ignorance and confusion about religion and religious holidays. I am not a preacher or the most knowledgeable about the Bible, but this is what I have learnt;

                    1. Jesus was not against religion - he was against the church leaders who practised their own twisted form of religion for their own benefit (which still happens to this day). Also why wars are fought in the name of religion?

                    2. Jesus could not celebrate Christmas, as it only became a religious festival (to counter pagan festivals) long after his death. To Christians, Christmas has a deeper meaning that the tinsel and commercialisation that we have gotten used to. It is definitely not a holiday, so do not wish me happy holidays at Christmas time. I will be deeply offended!

                    3. The Passover was observed by Jesus (Remember the painting of the Last Supper?)
                    Easter is a continuation of Passover, a Jewish religious festival instituted by God. It also had a prophetical meaning and pointed to the promise of the Messiah. This prophesy was fulfilled when Jesus was crucified and is celebrated today as Easter and as Holy Communion.

                    If you want to read more about it;

                    1. Exodus 34 (Whole Chapter)
                    2. Leviticus 23 (Whole Chapter)
                    3. Numbers 9,28,33 (Whole Chapter)
                    4. Numbers 33:2-4 (in Context)
                    5. Deuteronomy 16:1-6
                    6. Joshua 5 (whole chapter)
                    7. 2 Kings 23:20-24 (in Context)
                    8. 2 Chronicles 30:1-6
                    9. 2 Chronicles 35:18-20
                    10. Ezra 6:18-20
                    11. Ezekiel 45:20-22
                    12. Matthew 26 (Whole Chapter) The Last Supper
                    13. Mark 14 (Whole Chapter) The Last Supper
                    14. Luke 2:40-42
                    15. Luke 22
                    16. John 2
                    17. John 2:22-24 (in Context) John 2 (Whole Chapter)
                    18. John 4:44-46
                    19. John 6:3-5
                    20. John 11:54-56
                    21. John 12:1-3
                    22. John 13:1-3
                    23. John 18:27-29
                    24. John 18:38-40
                    25. John 19:13-15
                    26. Acts 12:3-5
                    27. 1 Corinthians 5:6-8
                    28. Hebrews 11:27-29
                    A very good evening to you Blurock!
                    Firstly, I respect all human beings regardless of their race, religion, political opinion, disability, sexual orientation, criminal past, income status etc
                    You bring an interesting perspective to the table! I respect your opinion! I’m always interested in how people formulate their opinions, I’m by no means suggesting that that the formulation of your opinion is flawed but merely that your opinion is evidence that Christianity is the most divide religion on this planet! We have countless number of denominations and schisms.
                    1. Okay, so I said that I would not make any additional posts to this thread. This post is evidence of my official status as part of the ‘lowly and despised things of this world,’ you see as a proud member of this group, I can be hypocritical, I can criticize my fellow Christians, Bible school students, Bible School graduates, Church leaders and the Church in general. The’ lowly and despised things of this world,’ club is an exclusive club. It gives me carte blanche!
                    2. This matter of Christian holidays has caused me to revaluate my Christianity and realise that I must focus on my spiritual growth and engage on a life long exercise of correcting my many flaws. It made me realise that I am responsible for my own actions and not the actions or omissions of the next person. It made me realise that I should mind my own business. I am an evangelist at heart. I have heeded the call of the great commission to preach the gospel to whosoever will willingly listen. A very simple and very straight forward task! I just lead people to Christ, but I don’t follow up on their lives or offer any form of guidance, advice, biblical explanations thereafter. Once I’ve led someone to Christ, my work is done, I leave the rest to the church!
                    3. You have unwittingly earned yourself some blessings! The Bible is clear(in my own words). If you acknowledge Christ before others, the angels in heaven will acknowledge you! If you acknowledge Christ, which you’ve done several times merely by mentioning his name, He will then direct your part1
                    4. Pronouns are a very important part of speech, they avoid boring repetitions of nouns. The pronoun “I,” is a very personal pronoun indeed! In Matthew 16:18, Jesus clearly said, “I Will build MY Church and the gates of hell will not prevail over it.” He didn’t say, Pastor Rich will build his Church! He is the driver of this process;
                    5. To be a member of the Church that Jesus found or formed to tacitly consent to being part of his kingdom presently and his kingdom to come, ‘thy kingdom come,’ At present we just have one small problem, in this Kingdom, the King is not here so naturally Pastor Rich will do as he see’s fit! So, they way I see it now, if certain pastors want to steal money from the church, it’s got nothing to do with me, if certain married pastors want to have sexual relationships with teenagers of the, it’s got nothing to do with me, If certain other pastors want to use the ‘repairs and maintenance budget,’ of the church to renovate their mansions , it also has nothing to do with me and if certain pastors want to justify the wealth they have generated for themselves and their immediate families by misquoting scripting on sowing and reaping, that’s also got nothing to do with me. In certain churches in the south, certain pastors glorify themselves to such a point that they advertise on an entire newspaper page, their picture takes most of this page! Certain other pastors and their wives are giving themselves titles such as ‘Professor and ‘Prophetess,’ self proclaimed. They want to be worshipped! So many Christians have the wrong perception of the Apostle Paul, they somehow, perceive him to be a nice choir boy, that made a pretty little flower for his teacher and helped old ladies! The Apostle Paul himself describes himself, by saying, I was a murderer in my time!!!!
                    6. But, just as they please! The King will come and set his kingdom in order. He won’t be coming as a cute little cud able baby that you can hold and play peek-a-boo with, the Bible is very clear about this, Jesus will come as ‘The King of Kings and every mouth will confess and every knee will bow!

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                    • Blurock
                      Diamond Member

                      • May 2010
                      • 4203

                      #40
                      It now appears as if the aim is not to ban Christian holidays, but to get greater recognition for other religions. Christians make out about 80% of our population and Muslims and Hindus between 1% and 2% respectively.

                      Although it is virtually impossible to accommodate each and every religious festival or holy day, I can understand that it may be difficult for say students to write exams on a day when they are supposed to pray or attend some religious practice. Schools and universities should therefore be specially observant of these days. Conversely we should not do away with religious practices just to accommodate a small number of students or workers. Ways should be found to accommodate those students/workers to observe their faith in their own way.

                      For as long as I can remember the Jewish community were relieving Christian hospital staff at Christmas as they do not observe the day themselves. In my previous job it was general practice to allow staff time off at Divali or Eid and for Christian staff to stand in for their colleagues.
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                      • Citizen X
                        Diamond Member

                        • Sep 2011
                        • 3411

                        #41
                        An opportunity such as this would not have occurred had it not been for this question of Christian public holidays emerging for public comment. When I first joined TFSAM, TFSA members rightfully asserted that this is not a religious forum but rather a business forum. It’s also a forum in which we can address matters which are in the public interest. So, there you have it, my ground of justification.
                        The problem statement is very simple, “What must I do with this Jesus?” The prefect of Jerusalem Pontious Pilate first asked this very question in Matthew 27:22. My solution is very simple: You must merely accept Him and believe in Him! Nothing difficult there! Okay, to clarify, I’m not asking you for any donation, tin food or blankets, but you yourself can go and distribute such items to whomsoever may be in need!
                        1. The problem with religion is that it won’t always help you even if you do what it stipulates that you do! It may even cause you to be isolated and shunned! The law, the religion was very clear on leprosy, uncleanness caused by a bodily discharge and impurity resulting from contact with the dead. The law, the religion said, you must be sent away from that society, you must be secluded. So, if you were a woman and you had a continuance bleeding problem you were regarded as unclean and segregated, you most certainly could not come into the presence of a priest, temple and especially God! There was also a religious route to follow if you were a woman that suffered from this continual bleeding, you had to take a dove and a pigeon and perform such ritual before the priest and if you were healed you then sacrificed this dove and this pigeon.
                        2. In Mathew 9: 20- 22, Mathew introduces us to this woman with some issue of bleeding, the Bible is clear, she had this problem for 12 years. She said, something along the lines of , ‘if only I could touch his cloak I would be healed.’ The reasonable inference, she tried everything else, she done what the religion told her to do and she was no better, she had enough of religion. In fact, according to religion, she was not even supposed to be there out in the open and certain not touching the Most High, but there she was and she did touch his cloak and she was healed and guess what, The Most High did not forsake or shun her or put the religion to her, if religion was put to her and would have gone something like this, “You foolish, ignorant, arrogant woman! Don’t you know that the law says you must be secluded when when you have a discharge, and by the way that is just the monthly period, you have this horrible discharge for 12 years, you should be secluded, you are not even supposed to come in the presence of a an ordinary priest, yet you dare to come in the presence of the Most High, stone her to death!!!”Thank goodness and God for Jesus!If she had followed her religion she would have died a miserable death in a few years because of the continual bleeding
                        3. I’m at liberty to say a great many things which many of my Christian brethren are precluded from saying because they don’t have the privilege of my official status as the ‘heathen,’ ‘the lowly and despised things of this world,’ this is an exclusive club, you don’t get to join this club unless you really are the ‘lowly and despised things ,’ of this world! My official public relations statement clarifies: I am the worst Christian on this planet, I have only committed a trillion and 1 sins to date. Of the Lord’s servants I’m the least important, a mere footnote on his official list. I’m part of the foolish, weak and lowly and despised things of this world. I don’t have a holy than thou attitude! Unless anyone can make similar statement then they simply don’t enjoy the sheer privilege I have in raising questions and leveling criticism at my fellow Christians, any Church whatsoever, any bible student whatsoever, and pastor whatsoever and any professor of theology whatsoever. As the under dog, as the one at the bottom of the most important Christian list I get to criticize those at the top of this ‘most important Christian list,’
                        4. When I look at certain Christians(and only I as per my status aforementioned can really do so with good conscience) , I realise that if you take Christmas, Easter and Sunday church away from them, there is absolutely nothing left of their Christianity because the sum total of their Christianity is Christmas, easter and Sunday church. If you take Christmas, Easter and Sunday church away from somebody the lowly and despised likes of me, you take nothing from me at all! In fact, you give me more time to do the Lord’s work! You see, praise and worship is a daily labour of love, not a Sunday 1 hour burden, serving the Lord is a 24/7 job and paying homage to his birth and death are daily labour of love tasks. You can choose to fast and pray whenever to want to. A lot of Christian are surprised to hear that as a Christian you have a directive from the Lord, a simple one really, preach the gospel; Perhaps taking Christmas and Easter away from Christians will actually cause to buy some food and clothing for the poor instead of wasting huge amounts of money on clothing and food on so called holy or religious days which are not even endorsed in the Bible.
                        5. Becoming a Christian, you can embark in seconds, it really very simple: You simply have to confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that Jesus Christ is the Lord, is the Son of God and was raised from the dead and you will be saved, I give you my word.
                        6. I love and serve the Lord because I know what He’s done in my life, I’m acutely aware of many horror stories He spared me from. I cognisant about what he’s doing in my life at present and I believe the good plan, purpose and mission He has for my life going forward. You see, I qualify as the ‘prodical son, a trillion times over! The law, the religion, was very clear on how to deal with a prodical son, in short, you first beat the hell out of him and thereafter you and the rest of the community stone him to death and that was that! Now, here comes this Jesus says, NO, you don’t do that! You give him another chance, you accept him, you forgive him and you also restore him! Incidentally, The Lord promises restoration for you in all areas of your life! I’m not looking for any acceptance from anyone, I’ve already been accepted foetstoots by the Lord! I’m also not really looking for acceptance in a world that hates my God!
                        7. You see the religion, The law was very clear on how to deal with a prodical son, Deuteronomy 21:18-21

                        "If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death."

                        8. So, by this law, I should have rightfully being stoned to death only a trillion and 1 times, but JESUS(not me, JESUS), said no you don’t! Luke reasons it rather quite effectively, ‘He was lost but now he was found!”
                        9. If you simply must have religion, then the Bible does cater for you! James 1:27Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.
                        10. Religion and law said that if you committed adultery, you must be stoned to death John 7
                        And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
                        Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
                        This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
                        So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
                        And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
                        And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
                        When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
                        She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.



                        The single most important problem we have in the Christian community is that this is a kingdom but the King is not yet here, BUT, I’ve got news for you, you greedy pastors enriching yourself and your family in the name of Jesus: The King is coming!!! “Thy kingdom come, thy will be done.” So, the kingdom can never really be in order without it’s king! You don’t need no pastor or church to pray for you, you can pray yourself! You can also fast! You should strive to learn the Word of God at every opportunity! Jesus, said, “If you love me, you will obey my commands.” If you really want religion, then let the very basis of your religion be what the Christ commanded, i.e. visiting and taking care of the sick, visiting prisoners and giving to the poor! And, as Jesus said when you give, “don’t let your left hand know what your right hand is doing.” Don’t try and get attention or praise for the good you do. There is a certain pastor somewhere in the south that loves himself so much, he has a weekly publication in the local newspaper with his photo in as large as you can fit into a newspaper. He has conferred on himself and his wife numerous degrees and doctorates overnight and without having ever studied or wrote a dissertation for an accredited university. There are people in his church who are unemployed and who are living in abject misery. He on the other hand has the mansion, the luxury car, the big bank balance all from the church offering by the way. He’s always boasting about what his church done, giving a school money etc. You know when I see his picture in the newspaper, I feel like vomiting on him. I think that when his picture appears again, I will vomit on him and take it to his church and publically present it to him while he is preaching!

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                        • adrianh
                          Diamond Member

                          • Mar 2010
                          • 6328

                          #42
                          ...I still believe in The Flying Spaghetti Monster because we don't have to read between the lines and make up our own assumptions and tales about what he means and then go forth and rattle it all off to anybody who gets in earshot...
                          No Sir'ree, we just sit back, drink beer and eat Pizza, all day long...

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                          • Citizen X
                            Diamond Member

                            • Sep 2011
                            • 3411

                            #43
                            Originally posted by adrianh
                            ...I still believe in The Flying Spaghetti Monster because we don't have to read between the lines and make up our own assumptions and tales about what he means and then go forth and rattle it all off to anybody who gets in earshot...
                            No Sir'ree, we just sit back, drink beer and eat Pizza, all day long...
                            No matter how many fish in the sea, it will be so empty with AdrianH! Where were you? I missed you!
                            An opportunity like this comes once in a lifetime, so under the auspices of current public interest i.e. objections etc, I just happen to have many host issues which finds reference here!
                            Let’s take your comment as a starting point, now had you been one of the many in and around Jerusalem, the elders and chief priests would have been very angry with you for your comment! In fact, they would have advocated stoning you to death for blasphemy. You would have had a saving grace though, you see the elders and chief priests had their own axe to grind with Jesus. They were out to trap him in any way they could, so they may have frog marched you to Jesus and said something along the following lines, “Rabbi, the law says that we should stone Adrian to death for blasphemy, can we start? But Jesus, would have answered, ‘You who is without sin, let him cast the first stone!” Jesus, final words to you would have simply been “I don’t condemn you, you free to go, go and sin no more.”
                            You must appreciate I like Jesus, it’s nice to deal with him, he’s approachable. Now this wasn’t always the case, there was a time when God was very unapproachable. In Hebrews 8:12, God , a deity says, “For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more." The immediate inference is that there was a time when He remembered your sins!
                            In Romans 8:1 The Bible stipulates : “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.”
                            1. The practical implication, you confess your sins, you don’t ask for forgiveness, you have already in one act at cavalry been forgiven for all your sins past, present and future. There is one other practical way that you really can ask for forgiveness every time you sin, you simply have to someone get hold of Jesus and lock him up in your cupboard, so then whenever you sin, you simply take him out of the cupboard, flog him, beat him and crucify him and thereby you forgiven for that individual sin on that day. You then put him back in your cupboard keeping him available for your next sin. When HE said , “IT IS FINISHED!”He meant nothing other;
                            2. DNA, we really do have the dna of Adam and Eve, you see when we sin we tend to hide away from God. Adam, who had seen God, walked and talked with God was trying to hide behind some bushes to avoid God from seeing him. I’ve got news for you, don’t run from God, run to Him. I commit some vile sin every now and then, I’ve since learned to boldly go to Jesus and confess and say ..look I f’d up!
                            3. The very same rebuke that Jesus directed at the chief priests and elders of his time can be equally directed at many church leaders. In short , they hypocrites! As a lowly and despised hopeless sinner, I can make such an allegation! I perceive many church leaders to be hypocrites, their God is money and their motivation is money! In Matthew 23 Jesus, said,
                            “Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4 They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
                            “Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacterieswide and the tassels on their garments long; 6 they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7 they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others.
                            .“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
                            15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.”
                            “Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm." Winston Churchill
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                            • Blurock
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                              • May 2010
                              • 4203

                              #44
                              It is not possible to ignore God. Faith is not about everything turning out OK; Faith is about being OK no matter how things turn out.

                              I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out there isn't, Than to live my life as if there isn't, and die to find out there is.
                              Excellence is not a skill; its an attitude...

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                              • adrianh
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                                • Mar 2010
                                • 6328

                                #45
                                @Vanash - The thing I don't get about religious people is why they waste so much energy babbling about their beliefs...I couldn't actually care less what they believe or what threats they make about the afterlife. I can't say that I read the stuff that you write because it would give me a headache...

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