Give For Life

[Hane]

Yes or you need 3 people directly under you. You are responsible for your first level so you can get as many people direclty under you as you want.

[Hane]

I recruited you. You recruit Peter Pan. Peter Pan recruits Wendy, wendy recruits tinkerbel and tinkerbel recruits someone else.
1. Anthony(you)
2. Peter Pan
3. Wendy
4. Tinkerbell
5. Someone

After I have recruited you I start working on my next recruit and so forth. When I have 3 recruits then my monthly contribution is covered.

[sterne.law@gmail.com]

Quite correct , 3 direct people would be the quickest. They in turn will not recoup their monthly money until they have a complete chain, times two, or as you say 3 people directly under them. And of course there are a numbe rof different permutations, but this is teh starting point.

[Hane]

Yes

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Oh, a very important question, nearly forgot.
Do you sign a contract. in other words must you commit for 6 months or 12 months or some time period?
OR can you be out by giving a months notice? Important, cant believe I nearly forgot.

[Hane]

When you sign up you can change your mind with in 5 days after that you must give 3 months notice

[Hane]

What is your conclusion?

[sterne.law@gmail.com]

Sorry had to go out.
So depending on what stage of development you are at, at any one stage there are some making money(maybe have 4 chains for eg), some breaking even(2 chains) and some who are not yet making yet(say have 3 members), all the while the charity gains on every recruit?

[Hane]

Yes

[sterne.law@gmail.com]

Will return this chat tomorrow

[sterne.law@gmail.com]

Then we have concluded as follows -
the charity makes money no matter what.
The association makes money no matter what.
Depending on what stage you are and how many members under you and how many teams - there are people making more than they are contributing, some are making the same as what they contribute(obviously only initially) and there are people that. And there are people making less than they contribute.
For people making less than their contribution they need to recruit more people. these people in turn are making less than they contribute.
Using the single chain concept, as per earlier posts, a person needs 2 chains to break even.
Each chain needs 5 members, all of which are contributing more than they earn in commision. As 2 chains are required that means for 1 person breaking even there are 10 earning less than they contribute or running at a loss.
Yes, people need to recruit members to make profit, but at some stage there will be no more people to recruit. Furthermore the percentage of people that will recruit 10 persons becomes less and less as their are more members recruited. As this happens so people will quit exasperating the issue.
In light of the fact that 10 people are hurt for every 1 happy person, that is poor. The top person(association) gains at these peoples expense. We call this unjust enrichment.

Now, while we do not deny that the charity benefits. And perhaps on a legal, somehow, point of view this is not a pyramid, and yes, as long as you build your team, you have made your money back and make money, there at least 10 people harmed for every single happy person, surely you cannot deny that all that glitters is not gold. The ramifications increase as the pyramid grows.

And ultimately people do this not for charity but to make money at other peoples expense because am afraid this is what happens.

So, the question is - do you deny that people will be harmed and lose money because of this?

[Dave A]

Who gets the profits of the association that's collecting the admin fee?

[sterne.law@gmail.com]

Who gets the profits of the association that's collecting the admin fee?

A very CLEVER person who will collect millions for charity, amke MILLIONS for himself, make good money for 1 tenth(maximum) of the members and lose MANY MILLIONS for the others, who those who spout the charity angle as an excuse for their own greed, are not concerned for.
In fact one should question the integrity of the charities - as harsh as that sounds.

[AndyD]

I tend to look at these schemes more holistically but I realise if it comes to a court decision the nitty gritty about percentages and leg lengths would be very relevant.

For me there's no product, no inventory and as pointed out people are recruiting others to enrich themselves. Basically the emphasis on recruitment is way too high so in my eyes it's a pyramid scheme. I'm not a legal expert and I don't even know much about MLM systems but I think that the fact charities make a small percentage is smoke and mirrors, not a product or service given that the clear motivation is recruitment for self enrichment. It's very cleverly structured and was obviously designed this way with the illegality of pyramid schemes but I know where it sits in my view.

[Hane]

Who gets the profits of the association that's collecting the admin fee?

The Giving Organisation is getting the money that is collected to pay bills, staff and to fund other projects to raise funds for charities. Remember that Give For Life is only one branch of their fundraising efforts. They have other projects that also benefits the same charities