Give For Life

[sterne.law@gmail.com]

Lets go through this logically and cast emotion aside.
There are obviously two schools of thought, those that see this as a genuine article and those that see it as a pyramid scheme.
Lets make no mention of the charity issue and the admin costs etc.
Those that are against, myself included have the viewpoint that teh charity is a cover up. perhaps we have missed something because we are looking at it from a clouded view.
In light of the above let us look at the straight maths -
So Hane, as the PRO Give for Life man, I am addressing the question to you and please do not take it as a personal affront where I refer to you, it is simply to keep matters simple and you have certainly made a passionate and strong stand on teh issue
Lets work on the R189 a month membership -
A percent goes to charity, some to costs and the rest is distributed as a commision? Is this correct, in a nut shell.
You get a people under you and that person pays their monthly amount, and you get a commision on that contribution. That person in turn gets some one, and they get the commision from the new member, while you get a commision from the first member and then, a smaller commision, from the person recruited by your member?
Am I correct so far?

[Hane]

Yes you get commission to the 5th level

[Hane]

Those that are against, myself included have the viewpoint that teh charity is a cover up. perhaps we have missed something because we are looking at it from a clouded view.

I would just like to point out that if you think that the charities are only a cover up, wont the charities who have to protect their integrate also feel the same way? If that would be the case please take a look at the NCPSA's website http://www.nspca.co.za if you scroll down and look at the bottom right where they mention projects that they receive funds form you will see Give For Life.

[sterne.law@gmail.com]

Okay so, lets use 30% as an example of the amount put to commision -
If you recruit me(I use the word recruit only because it is easier) you get 15% of my monthly fee.
I then recruit Peter Pan - Now I get 15 % of Peter Pan and you get 5% of Peter Pan monthly fee (we working with R189)
Peter Pan recruits Wendy - So Peter gets 15% comm on wendy R189
I get 5% of Wendy, plus 15% of Peter Pan
You get 5% of Wendy, 5% of Peter Pan and 15% of me
The charity in turn is getting 10% of You, Me, Peter Pan and Wendy - a total of R75.60 being ten percent of 4members X R189 = R756
Am I correct so far, the actual percentages aside, just trying to keep the maths simple?

[Hane]

No Charities get 20% of each sign up
(I'm going to use actual % it makes it easier for me to explain)
I sign up R189 - charity gets 20% = R38
U sign up R189 - I get 33% = R63 Charity gets 20% = R38
Peter Pan sign up - I get 6.5% = R12 U get 33% = R63 Charity gets 20% = R38
Wendy sign up - I get 4% = R8 U get 6.5% = R12 Peter gets 33% = R63 Charity gets 20% = R38

So that is R189 x 4 = R756
Charity get R152 and the rest goes to commission and admin fees

[Hane]

If I get 1 person to sign up and everyone else also gets 1 person to the 5th level. So in total there is 5 people.

I would get R95 from my recruiters and the charities would get R189 from my recruiters

[sterne.law@gmail.com]

Okay good, real percentage is best. So by 5 levels we need to add in one more person, lets say Tinkerbell.

Team Leader (You)
Anthony(me)
Peter Pan
Wendy
Tinkerbell
Comm Structure -
1st - 33%
2nd - 6,5 %
3rd - 4 %
4th - ????

And to be clear on the only 5 levels -
After Tinkerbell you cannot have more people in that chain, but can start another chain with a direct recruit?
In turn I can recruit one more after Tinkerbell and must then start another chain. My new has no benefits to you, it is now independent?

[Hane]

Commisson For the 5 levels if you take the R189 Bronze package
1. 33.33%
2. 6.5%
3. 4%
4. 3.17%
5. 3%

I will only receive commission up to the 5th level. So after Tinkerbel I cant get commission. Who ever she recruits is level 6

I can start a new leg and receive commission up to the 5 level. Whoever you sign up I will get commission from as well. They will always be my level 3, 4 and 5. So i will get commission from anyone that is signed up from my 5 levels, horizontally. I can never receive commission from any level after 5, vertically.

[Hane]

I just noticed that Tinkerbel is level 4
1. Anthony(me)
2. Peter Pan
3. Wendy
4. Tinkerbell
5. Someone
After this I cant get more commission
6. Someone Else

[sterne.law@gmail.com]

Okay good. So you can start new legs once you have 5 under you.
To be clear on the horizontal maths -
When i start a new leg, you obviously cannot get 33% again, so you get 6,5% 4% 3.17% and 3% OR comm form the first 4 people under em? Have I got this part right?

Secondly the breakdown in a full single chain is as follows -
R189 a month
Charity got - 20 % from everyone
Commisions total 49,67% being(33 + 6.5 + 4 + 3.17 + 3)
And the association gets 30.33%

[Hane]

Okay good. So you can start new legs once you have 5 under you.
To be clear on the horizontal maths -
When i start a new leg, you obviously cannot get 33% again, so you get 6,5% 4% 3.17% and 3% OR comm form the first 4 people under em? Have I got this part right?

Yes that's right

Secondly the breakdown in a full single chain is as follows -
R189 a month
Charity got - 20 % from everyone
Commisions total 49,67% being(33 + 6.5 + 4 + 3.17 + 3)
And the association gets 30.33%

Yes, but they round the numbers so for bronze commission payouts are 50%. The association gets less as you go up with the packages E.g. the platinum packages pays out 65% in commission, charities get 20% and the association gets 15%

[sterne.law@gmail.com]

I like the rounding numbers(i must say 3.17 irritates me)

[Hane]

[Hane]

Now what is your conclusion or do you have more questions? Will gladly answer

[sterne.law@gmail.com]

Okay, so if my maths is correct. You need 2 complete chains under you(total50% commision) to recoup your R189? Also working on the premise that people under you have no recruits or horizontal chains.