Directors Duties and Liabilities in RSA

[Asterix]

Deal With This Type of Crime Effectively

https://www.leadsa.co.za

The most important lines -
Stand up for what’s right.
Stand up for the law.
Stand up for decency, compassion, and respect.
Stand up for the future you want for your family.
Stand up for your community.
Stand up, and lead South Africa.
Not soon. Not just now. Now. Because if you don’t, who will?

[Lawyer Destroyer]

The Phoney Physicians Dirty Laundry

I second that. More in today - mmmmhhhhhhh

[Nicolene C]

Dr DS Grieve aka David Stephen Grieve & Sanet Grieve Botha of Centurion

Dr DS Grieve Documentary - Thank you for the many contributions, photographs and many web links and other miscellaneous information and to the people who have agreed to meet me. Please keep contributions, photographs and information coming. All information received in utmost confidence. I have been verified by several persons on this site. Nicolene C dsgrievedocu@webmail.co.za

Baie dankie almal vir die bydrae - hou asb aan - epos na adres bo.

Also seeking information about other parties involved in this that may have been involved in similar cases before in Pretoria. If you have been a victim or had similar experiemces from the same parties involved we would like to hear from you.

[Lawyer Destroyer]

An Important Read For Any Business Owner! -Dr DS Grieve - The Saga

Asterix and fellow watchers and interested readers - this last week and weekend has had its fair share of revelations wrt this ongoing saga. I became embroiled in this whole affair quite coincidentally and do not know Grieve or any of his victims personally. My interest lies in the many similar cases which have come and gone largely unnoticed until now. Of interest is to note the group involved in The Grieve saga - and to appreciate their history and involvement fully it is necessary to read this horror story which took place right here in SA - for which the scoundrels involved have all taken a good number of lashings. You will also find writings on the Grieve escapade on this site at

http://www.sabanks.co.za/live/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=46&func=view&id=47837&catid=19

ABSA Bank & the demise of foreign investor Mr. Dumisa Mbusi Dlamini from Swaziland

http://www.sabanks.co.za/live/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10&Itemid=1

The Horror Story you will witness in these pages is unfortunately not fiction, but a real life experience –


The experience of a Major Foreign Investor from Swaziland, Mr. Dumisa Mbusi Dlamini, who saw fit to invest into South Africa, shortly before the 1994 Democratisation of this country.



The current situation enjoys all the same players again - a kind of Pretoria based Legal "Boere Mafia" gang of thugs who prey on circumstances, using the law to other peoples disadvantage - for personal gain and enrichment - leaving a clear trail of misery, deceit and despair where ever they extend their greedy hands into specific cases. You know what they say about Leopards and spots........think on this hard after reading.

The process of liquidations has become a dirty dirty incorrectly and illegally used and applied legal "instrument" in these peoples hands and in concert they can make the illegal - legal - and the scary thing is, unless you know better or have a principled person or firm to assist - as a creditor - you simply lose and become a statistic. What we have uncovered is the use of false ID numbers, incomplete registration and transfer documents, hiding of assets, accounts and even documents to the disadvantage of creditors, but more importantly massive VAT as well as companies Tax fraud and evasion as well as concealment of true facts pertaining to returns. All this to be revealed. But read the above and specifically read these documents by a journalist - http://www.slideshare.net/KVDMerwe/absa20-annexure20elbs2092 and also http://www.slideshare.net/KVDMerwe/a...xure20elbs2094


And finally this IMPORTANT link

http://www.bluechipjournal.co.za/articles/other/423-cipro-meltdown

which affects every single business and property owner in RSA. It is a dangerous situation developing that not only allows scurrilous Liquidators, lawyers, accountants and fraudsters to thrive and expand, but which allows for whole corporate identity theft that will not only keep you busy for years trying to untangle, but could very well end your financial existence - the same people are still busy as you can tell from the DS Grieve saga and I have recommended a special commission of inquiry once the final chapter has been written in this story as well as a full audit of this saga and the players involved. It is quite clear that the personalities involved have simply reduced their boundaries and no longer take on the size and shape of Mr Dlamini instead preferring a handful of smaller cases, less complex and just as profitable with less chance of exposure or notoriety. I would urge you as a business owner, property owner or investor to voice your concern and I will with Dave A's permission (Dave - I will be in Dbn soon and come and see you as well), write and post a pre formatted letter to The Minister's Office which I suggest you read, copy and send - forthwith urging them to take urgent action and to spread the word amongst business owners, investors and property owners that the current situation is untenable and must be brought under control - forthwith failing which a petition will be made to the Office of The State President. I will PM Dave A separately on this, but in the meantime I urge every reader to pass this thread to any business owners or investors or property owners they know and to spread this around - to every bodies advantage - urgently. Failing to do this could ultimately cost you your business, your home and your financial life as you know it. You could also be - the next victim of the contentious liquidations procedure used so abysmally and referred to above.

The following paragraphs specifically involving the likes of Dr DS Grieve & Associates (which also includes amongst others one Advocate Derick De Villiers of Creda in Cape Town - whose role has just been brought to my attention - I understand a public pic is forthcoming) should also be considered and their individual roles carefully assessed in the final outcome......

Extract from Page 7 - http://www.sabanks.co.za/live/index....1&limitstart=6

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Also sadly, the rest of Officialdom are still dragging their feet to do something and help resolve these issues, to restore the Financial Empire of a Major Foreign Investor – A Man, who with his family, had been put on the street without a cent to his name!

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Also see the attached Affidavit by Liquidator Truter Wouda (Annexure 92), in which he tries to make out that he does not know why the WRONG KLEINDOORNKOP BOERDERY CC , with Reg. No. !998/028045/23, had been used in the liquidation! This is laughable, in light of the clear facts in the former Annexure ELBS 92, which shows us how the Properties had been fraudulently Transferred to this CC where all the fraudulent Bonds have been registered as well. He ignores the fact that this had been a scheme to confuse – A scheme that had been planned long before (1998) to cater for exactly the possibility that the Liquidation of the 1987 CC could be set aside, and facilitate their Legal Gymnastics in this manner.


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Attached hereto is ELBS’s latest correspondence to ABSA Attorney of Record, Mr. W.A. Du Randt, copied to the head Office of his Law Firm, Tim Du Toit Attorneys in Pretoria, as well as to the ABSA Bank: Legal Litigation and Disputes Team (Annexure ELBS 93). This document sets out the totally illegal process followed, by which Mr. Dlamini’s properties and other Assets had been stolen from him, despite the first Liquidation. The Annexures mentioned in this document is attached in the same order.
(Annexure ELBS 93.1) (ELBS 93.2) (ELBS 93.3) (ELBS 93.4) (ELBS 93.5).

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The attached letter from the Master of the High Court to LVK Trust (Annexure ELBS 94 ) clearly shows that things are, at last, coming to a point. In this letter the Master states that it is clear that Mr. Dlamini had been fraudulently sequestrated, that the Trustees knew this and by going on with administering the Fraudulently obtained Sequestration and are therefore party to it. He also points out that the Trustees are in Contempt of the Rule 35(2) Order by the High Court and are in breech of several prescriptions of the Law on Insolvency.

[Lawyer Destroyer]

Dr DS Grieve Saga

Advocate Derick De Villiers Creda PF, Director- from Creda Property Facilitators in Cape Town - friend, accomplice and cohort of Dr DS Grieve of Centurion Pretoria who played a pivotal role in providing contracts to purport to provide Billions of Rands of bridging finance finance helping Dr Grieve to create the illusion required to both harvest new "victims" into his finance scam and voluntarily liquidate his Bridging Finance company Dr DS Grieve Bridging Solutions causing the loss of all his investors money without warning.

http://www.credapf.co.za/news.html

Public display entitlement: Picture displayed in public on FaceBook and elsewhere.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/profile.php?id=552164848

[Lawyer Destroyer]

Dlamini Fraud / DS Grieve Fraud Sagas Similarities....

Just a view from above...

Of Significant Interest

Dlamini Saga

ABSA Bank - LVK Trust CC Dewald Breytenbach, Truta Wouda - Tim Du Toit & Kie Attorneys of Pretoria - loose attorney PJ Heffernan

Grieve Saga

ABSA Bank - LVK Trust CC Dewald Breytenbach, Truta Wouda - Tim Du Toit & Kie Attorneys of Pretoria - loose attorney Willem Storm , Storm Prokureurs Pretoria

Check all the above and include outsider Advocate Derick De Villiers Creda Property Facilitators.......and a few more ranked names still to come shortly - more than just coincidence......

[Ruiter In Swart]

Dr DS Grieve en sy stories

Daar is niks so sleg soos n' professionele persoon wat sleg word nie. n' Likwidateer wat suiwer weet hy sy funksies uitvoer en n' insolvensie aspris tot die nadeel van mense wat reeds die slegte hand van besigheid uitgedeel is dmv desepsie, bedrog, diefstal of wanbestuur administreer. n' Prokureur wat die donker kant bystaan en weet hy doen eerlike mense in met sy kennis en ondervinding - en n' dokter wat sy pasiente en vriende indoen met lieg en bedrieg (slegte moer) - hy is die slegste van al drie - wat kan hy anders aan swak of siek mense doen.....miskien die groot nagslaap aanbring......vir persoonlike redes......of vrouens aanrand, kinders aspris molesteer.....as hy sy lewens kompas verloor het tot die donker kant is enige iets moontlik. Ek sal nooit so ou weer vertrou nie - glad nie.

[Dave A]

Where does slandering legal professionals on a public forum for doing their job fit in this moral ranking of yours?

Is "the accused" not entitled to legal counsel?

This thread is steadily moving from informative (defendable as in the public interest) to harassment. It's hard to say where exactly, but I sense there's a line being crossed here.

[Lawyer Destroyer]

Bad Eggs

Dave - Professionals are not above the law. Our professionals are our top people. Without them society falls. But even in professions - we should not tolerate rogues and scoundrels. I know - I have to deal with them every day. I think RIS is referring to the bad eggs in every profession that end up giving the whole profession a bad name. We find it in the law, in medicine, in accounting, in banking, in business - a doctor like Harold Shipman could have been stopped from murdering nearly one hundred patients a long time ago - all the warning signs were there. But nobody wanted to touch the "Professional status" or believe a doctor could go bad. Regrettably - even the top angel in heaven went rogue - and was named and shamed. This forum is providing a valuable public service - and if it saves one person from losing money in the future, especially if its their life savings, then it has performed a fine task. The facts are real facts and these guys have done what they have done - the court records are there. Nothing presented is not supported by facts. These guys have the opportunity to present their case. Grieve - case in question - let him explain what happened to all the finance company records and accounts and exactly what happened to all the old, sick, pensioned and former patients money. He is a doctor - come forward. Nothing to hide - then explain. He has concocted an elaborate illusion and needs to clarify what happened. The others involved - they bear striking resemblance to another large number of similar cases - ask Hanti Schreider at Fokus an SABC TV programme.....any profession worth its salt welcomes the exposure of those rotten eggs that sour the whole basket....it helps to keep standards high and weed out the rotten ones - and it is in the public interest when a person of position in society does this kind of thing repeatedly, For Grieve it is not the first time, only the first time he has been caught.

[Dave A]

This is similar to pointing fingers at liquidators, ground we've covered already.

Just because a lawyer has an alleged rogue for a client does not make the lawyer a rogue.

Even if there is repeat "business" performed for this (alleged) rogue, it does not automatically make the lawyer a rogue. Lawyers have to maintain a code of conduct, and part of that is client privilege.

IMO it is reckless to imply a lawyer is a rogue merely by their professional association with their clients - and that's all that has been presented at this point.

I suggest if the point is to be pursued, there will need to be a more substantial foundation than mere association.

[Lawyer Destroyer]

Bad Eggs

Dave - point taken. And the pm's too. I will stick to the subject matter at hand on this one the Grieve saga as it unfolds and develops - I will also ask those others involved to respect this. This will all unfold and the saga will unravel - the truth is quietly clear already. The facts awaiting presentation.

[Ruiter In Swart]

Dr Grieve se stories

Ou Dave - ek val nie professionele mense aan nie. Ek kommentaar oor slegte professionele mense as vrot geisoleerde instansies. Jammer as dit nie duidelik oor gekom het nie. Die Grieve saga is vir my amper persoonlik want ek ken hom - hy het my mediese raad gegee ook. Ek ken sy vrou. Ek kan jou waarborg hy is skelm en dit gaan bewys word. n' Besigheid stort nie inmekaar oornag nie. Ek het klomp. Daar word nie skielik R30 miljoen rand kontant net weg nie........Ek ken die omstandighede en het n' volle verklaring voor my prokureur oor dit gemaak en oor sy betrokkenheid van wat ek weet. Hy my ook probeer intrek - Hy het sy hele stelsel aan my verduidelik - dit kon nie so vinnig in mekaar instort nie - dis nie moontlik nie. Ek weet wat het hy gese, en ken die waarborge wat hy en sy vrou gegee het. Die hele Grieve situasie is n' kriminele oortredings area - n' Crime Scene - Daar is n' klomp kontant geld weg - sy vinger afdrukke is ooral - sy DNA is daar - ons het getuienis wat hom op die perseel plaas - sy vrou ook. Ons het motiveering ons het rede ons het manier en MO. Daar sit klomp ou mense wat getuig dat hy hulle bedonder en verneuk het. Sy inligtings en beleggers voorstel brosjure is op die internet, sy waarborge saam sy vrou en hulle fotos is in sy powerpoint gepubliseer. Die ou het klomp mense se lewens verwoes - en glimlag daaroor. Speel nou lekker dokter dokter en vat mense se lewens en vertroue daagliks weer in sy hande. Dis ook nie die eerste keer nie. Hy het dit voorheen al gedoen. Dis nou net jammer dat n' geleerde man sy pasiente, vriende en beleggers so lelik sal probeer vang. Daar sit ou mense vandag, in Lyttleton, in die Kaap, in Centurion - sonder geld, sonder waarskuwing hulle beleggings verloor het, sonder hoop, sonder stem - wat ook geregtig is op wetlike verteenwoordigheid maar wat dit nou nie kan bekostig nie. Wie sal hulle help. Wie sal hulle ondersteun. Dis maklik - laat hy voorkom en verduidelik waar is die rekords en rekeninge van die maatskappye wat onder sy beheer en bestuur was....eenvoudig - dis net sy vrou se broer en haar verloofde wat vir hom in die kantore van die Grieve skip gewerk het - die goed is sy verantwoordlikheid as direkteur. Hy kan nie produseer nie -

[Dave A]

I appreciate the frustration, but I'd hate to see you folk turn into the bad guys too.

Thanks for taking the hint seriously.

[Lawyer Destroyer]

The Dr DS Grieve Saga

The Dr DS Grieve saga rumbles on with more and more worms coming out - just had an interesting chat with a few people he caught before. The use of Trusts and appointed trustees.....mmmmmhhhh oh what wonders an MBA and the knowledge it brings - especially if it is applied for dark and not light.

[Nicolene C]

Dr DS Grieve Ongoing and Information

Thanks to all those who supplied and provided information over the last few weeks. There are several horizons in this saga - rest assured we are doing a well researched and well written expose'. Any further info please contact me on dsgrievedocu@webmail.co.za - thanks Nicolene