Wiseman concept scam

[Citizen X]

And you yourself failed to address this pressing matter? More importantly you are yet to show any form of legitimacy?

You keep on insisting that we are dummies and so on… Any professional knows you don’t do anything without some form of legitimacy. I do understand that your “product” is a secret that said any company needs to be able to backup their claims and show that they are legitimate and recognised by all government entities involved.

Mariana, I'm willing to accept that there's a flip side of a coin! I'm willing to accept that you have a version of events! That sais, credibilty as a company is something a business builds! Based on the way you have been responding, you lack credibilty from my perspective! It's now this credibility which you should in earnest try and restore..

See this as the Public Relations aspect of business!! I'm sure that you don't want to take the Government's approach to public relations, when serious things transpire, they seem to have a paraphrase "That comment is unfortunate!"
No matter how complex your concept may be, you must be able to explain it simply , state your fee, price, terms and conditions and disclaimer in 1 short, paragraph.
I can't help but agree with Tec0, he correctly says that you failed to address this pressing matter! Don't you want some form of closure??? It can still happen, appease your former client Pieksie(If Pieksie is a former client, I'm not sure? Point, make good to any formry client, with complaints, in cash or kind right here, give complaining clients something back eg cash or kind??) Word of mouth, especially the bad kind from any of your actual clients may prove to be to your detriment!!!)

[adrianh]

Hey Mariana,

...now repeat after me: "I am a nice person and I am nice to my customers"

...try this 5 times in the morning and 5 times at night.

You will choke on it for the first couple of months but you may be able to get it right eventually....

[pieksie]

Mariana, I'm willing to accept that there's a flip side of a coin! I'm willing to accept that you have a version of events! That sais, credibilty as a company is something a business builds! Based on the way you have been responding, you lack credibilty from my perspective! It's now this credibility which you should in earnest try and restore..

See this as the Public Relations aspect of business!! I'm sure that you don't want to take the Government's approach to public relations, when serious things transpire, they seem to have a paraphrase "That comment is unfortunate!"
No matter how complex your concept may be, you must be able to explain it simply , state your fee, price, terms and conditions and disclaimer in 1 short, paragraph.
I can't help but agree with Tec0, he correctly says that you failed to address this pressing matter! Don't you want some form of closure??? It can still happen, appease your former client Pieksie(If Pieksie is a former client, I'm not sure? Point, make good to any formry client, with complaints, in cash or kind right here, give complaining clients something back eg cash or kind??) Word of mouth, especially the bad kind from any of your actual clients may prove to be to your detriment!!!)

I am not actually a former client. I just wanted to know how their business work but unfortunately I only got the same responses that Mariana is giving here. Only insults and no answers.

[Citizen X]

I am not actually a former client. I just wanted to know how their business work but unfortunately I only got the same responses that Mariana is giving here. Only insults and no answers.

Surely, from a public relations perspective, no company will want bad press! The idea is to win hearts and mins when you in this predicament, not go on the offensive! Here's the thing, if any of my friends and family and community members ever raise the topic 'wiseman concept,' I will have no choice but to inform them of what I deduced from this thread!

Mariana you are conspicuous by your absence, your silence is deafening!

[Chrisjan B]

In plain Afrikaans - ek so iemand soos Wiseman en vriende al lankal moertoe gestuur het....

[Citizen X]

In plain Afrikaans - ek so iemand soos Wiseman en vriende al lankal moertoe gestuur het....

Chrismine, I couldn't have said it better myself! In fact, I've now committed that to memory for future use!!!!!!

[Scaffold]

Mariana only responds to posts from about 11:00pm.. She must be very busy at work to only return home so late at night. Guess she has to work extra hard to make it!! Those bonds on the house can make life difficult I suppose. O'well, I'll just carry on being ignorant and live my happy life with my 6 hour a day job. Atleast Im happy!!

[Perform Computers]

It just shows the quality of the Forums members - they said nothing, proved nothing, accept that some of them are dummies!

This female better hope I don't bump into her someday. Also, Mariana, could you please check your grammar before you post. There's nothing more unprofessional than promoting a SCAM, sorry, a business idea where your grammar is that of a 5th grader.

Feel free to flame me, I don't think my name has come up in the list of, "U too thick to understand Wiseman & you're kar is deprisiating at a value x=y".

[SilverNodashi]

Mariana you sound like Lucy / Penny Rielly, who is a scam artist.........

And, on a more serious note: If you actually want people to believe in your offerings, or services, then please take some time and design a proper website. What you have there is a disgrace to the Internet and your business.

[tec0]

Mariana you sound like Lucy / Penny Rielly, who is a scam artist.........

And, on a more serious note: If you actually want people to believe in your offerings, or services, then please take some time and design a proper website. What you have there is a disgrace to the Internet and your business.

[Scaffold]

[Mariana]

I already done it Vanash, the "forum" failed to place it on their system to you, and believe me, it was all nicely said !!! I give up mate, no wonder the world is in shambles.

[Mariana]

ITS a lie...there were no deal done, how can someone pay if there was no deal done! Use your brains, not you backside!

[Mariana]

No wonder you finances is finds it self in a dark hole!

[tec0]

ITS a lie...there were no deal done, how can someone pay if there was no deal done! Use your brains, not you backside!

She realised after signing the documentation that she would be in a far worse financial position if she subscribed to his scheme. She invoked the cooling off period that the NCR has mandated for loans and instructed the attorneys to cancel. Since then Mr Botha and his sidekick, Jannie, have shown up at her place of work making threats and demanding that she hand over R60 000 commission he was going to charge her.

It is clear from the documentation that I have in my possession that something is terribly wrong with this so-called concept. He encourages individuals to take out huge second mortgages on their homes to consolidate short-term debt. He then tells them to deposit the surplus funds into their current accounts.

care to explain?