The truth about South Africa

[HR Solutions]

That's it in a nutshell ..... Don't be a loser - people must stop making excuses all the time !

[Hannes Botha]

It's all about attitude....Nobody in this forum is here because we gave up and decided all bosses all dumb....s

We are here because we kept trying...if we all gave up the first time we tried to walk...we'd all still be in a walking ring. Fact, neither me nor any other employer would give a negative employee a chance because he might've been ticked off by a previous prospective boss. I won't give somebody showing up at an interview with a bad attitude a chance period, don't really care his reason. I employ who is best for my business. I am not willing to risk my livelihood and my family's or my employees' livelihood and that of their families to prove to one jaded prospective not all bosses are not horses@$$eS, if that automatically makes me one, sorry....

[tec0]

Well right now 2000+ people will go into the unemployment market soon... "if things don't get better" Some are highly qualified and will go into competition with existing companies others will seek other employment. So many hands got burned here i am guessing that the rivalry will become relentless and the existing market is going to suffer dearly as customers will start to shop around again for new companies at lower cost.

By next year that number will double and by the end of that year it will double again to a potential 8000+ people will be searching for jobs or starting something of there own. ALL of them will be a bit under the weather because to lose your job just because large companies are pulling out is not a good feeling. So yes there will be a lot of qualified people that is simply angry.

Not cashing in and recruit will be a stupid mistake. Finding skill/qualified and experienced workers is not always easy so a personal point of view can well become the biggest mistake one can ever make. Because the other person will give it a chance "mainly your competition" I am hoping this can be avoided and the job losses will not be so high.

As for attitude, Seven or 8 jobs ago i worked for a company that installed specialized server systems and the person above of me had a wonderful positive outlook and was always lively and just vibrant. The bosses liked him a lot and trusted him with a lot. Now i was there as contractor and once done they did a quality inspection and past the systems with flying colours. i got paid and on to the next job.

A month in i was called in and the boss had a very serious look on his face. That lively guy he trusted ran off with about R140K and the outstanding contracts wasn't honoured. I grabbed the systems and did installs all month long putting in 40hour a day. On completion i knew they couldn't pay me in full so i dropped my asking price with 70% thinking 30% is better then nothing.

not to blow smoke up my own behind but the gloomy guy with the seemingly bad attitude saved the company, not the mister smily face

[HR Solutions]

It's all about attitude....Nobody in this forum is here because we gave up and decided all bosses all dumb....s

We are here because we kept trying...if we all gave up the first time we tried to walk...we'd all still be in a walking ring. Fact, neither me nor any other employer would give a negative employee a chance because he might've been ticked off by a previous prospective boss. I won't give somebody showing up at an interview with a bad attitude a chance period, don't really care his reason. I employ who is best for my business. I am not willing to risk my livelihood and my family's or my employees' livelihood and that of their families to prove to one jaded prospective not all bosses are not horses@$$eS, if that automatically makes me one, sorry....

You are spot on Hannes - I am not going to let any lazy person that does not want to work affect me, my family, or my business. If they have a bad attitude and will not fit into our culture, they must look elsewhere. Our culture is not going to change for them, otherwise we would be changing cultures all the time, and the also be losing current staff.

Business ethics, cultures & morals starts at the top.

[Butch Hannan]

Teco- Please tell us what the solution is and please do not go into a 5000 word verbose rhetorical answer. I challenge you to do it in less than 100 words.
My answer is "get rid of the ANC government. +-65% of the voters obviously voted for the ANC. A country deserves the government it has. (less than 50 words)

[Blurock]

Well right now 2000+ people will go into the unemployment market soon... "if things don't get better" Some are highly qualified and will go into competition with existing companies others will seek other employment. So many hands got burned here i am guessing that the rivalry will become relentless and the existing market is going to suffer dearly as customers will start to shop around again for new companies at lower cost.

Actually, many more than 2000 people will lose their jobs because of a meltdown of our economy. This is not the fault of big business or small business, but mainly caused by the ineffectiveness of your government. (read: Escom, Post office, SAA, Municipalities, the list goes on and on.) A business simply cannot survive if business is not generated and there is no growth.

To retain the good workers in the firm, we will first let the oxygen thieves go. That way we can ride out the storm and be certain that the good guys will still be available when the upturn comes. Once a business closes its doors, it is not just the staff that is affected, it is also their dependants, the suppliers and service providers of the business etc etc. Because there's such a fine line between success and bankruptcy, one has to choose the best players. One cannot win a world cup with players that are not prepared to sweat.

[HR Solutions]

Again I would like to say that from a recruitment point of view there are a lot of jobs out there. The problem is finding the right person. The right person that is either qualified, experience, prepared to work, the right attitude etc etc etc.

I am tired of people saying there is no work out there. ! There is. And tec please do not tell me that I am wrong when I say this. Our company has been going over 12 years. There is work out there. Companies are obviously becoming more fussy when hiring due to a number of reasons e.g. labour laws etc etc including attitude. If you read up the modern way of treating staff is totally different to 30 years ago. Young people nowadays want instant gratification (the y generation) - companies are changing with the times.

[Pap_sak]

One problem that I have noticed, is that kids seldom have a part time job. 25 years ago it was unusual (at least with my friends) not to have a weekend job. Teaches you a lot.

[tec0]

the ineffectiveness of your government.

my government? You are going to insult me like that come on Blurock that was knee to balls...

[tec0]

the good guys will still be available when the upturn comes.

I don't agree everyone i know is heading out of the country. And they are not planning in coming back. I spoke to a guy 2 weeks ago, he is also heading out and want me there as well as my multi skills aided his company many times in the past. So he will be setting up a sponsorship for me and my family as soon as he touch ground.

He is in the process now and once that is done he will start the process for me and 3 other families to go over because he needs us close as we make a formidable team when it comes to actual work being done. That is the game plan for most qualified people. So i don't know who will remain in the end of the day, i honestly cannot say but most people are tried of all the stuff that is happening and wants a new start. i cannot blame them and as my friend spoke to me and took the time to spoke to me he convinced me to take a chance on him and i trust him i trust what he can do and what he can accomplish. He knows my skill-set and can trust that i can deliver good results.

[tec0]

Again I would like to say that from a recruitment point of view there are a lot of jobs out there. The problem is finding the right person. The right person that is either qualified, experience, prepared to work, the right attitude etc etc etc.

I am tired of people saying there is no work out there. ! There is. And tec please do not tell me that I am wrong when I say this. Our company has been going over 12 years. There is work out there. Companies are obviously becoming more fussy when hiring due to a number of reasons e.g. labour laws etc etc including attitude. If you read up the modern way of treating staff is totally different to 30 years ago. Young people nowadays want instant gratification (the y generation) - companies are changing with the times.

100% there is a ton of work out there as you say. But it is not accessible to all. You yourself spoke about implementing screening the applicants. Then there are labour brokers and there processes.

Lastly young people today, walk around with burned faces, chemical burns on the skin. a young lad died following his bosses orders a while go. 4 burned to death and other one was cut in half by a cable snap. Safety is key factor and to date a lot of investigations but... the outcome remains to be seen? So please don't assume for a moment that every job is worth it... it is not. You got all types on both sides of the coin.

Interesting question, when a customer "employer/company" goes to you for recruitment do you check them out as well?

Good name?
Good safety record?
Good reputation at the CCMA?
Good policy foundation?
Good company ethic?

so on and so forth?

You don't need to answer that but at least think about it.

[HR Solutions]

No I don't check the companies out. It is not my job. My job is to supply them with good staff.
We have in the past "fired" clients due to various factors ...... One being ethics,

[Blurock]

I don't agree everyone i know is heading out of the country. And they are not planning in coming back. I spoke to a guy 2 weeks ago, he is also heading out and want me there as well as my multi skills aided his company many times in the past. So he will be setting up a sponsorship for me and my family as soon as he touch ground.

He is in the process now and once that is done he will start the process for me and 3 other families to go over because he needs us close as we make a formidable team when it comes to actual work being done. That is the game plan for most qualified people. So i don't know who will remain in the end of the day, i honestly cannot say but most people are tried of all the stuff that is happening and wants a new start. i cannot blame them and as my friend spoke to me and took the time to spoke to me he convinced me to take a chance on him and i trust him i trust what he can do and what he can accomplish. He knows my skill-set and can trust that i can deliver good results.

Point proven. Ineffectiveness of government is affecting business adversely. As a result, qualified people are leaving the country. So what are we, the people going to do about that? The more skills we lose, the worse the future will be for those that stay behind.

[tec0]

Point proven. Ineffectiveness of government is affecting business adversely. As a result, qualified people are leaving the country. So what are we, the people going to do about that? The more skills we lose, the worse the future will be for those that stay behind.

Well, friend of mine "also skilled" is now awaiting there fate. "Will the company close or remain open" He told me he will remain in the country and once everything has gone to the dogs will be part of the people that will start to rebuild... So there is that mindset as well. And yea he made good points.

[tec0]

No I don't check the companies out. It is not my job. My job is to supply them with good staff.
We have in the past "fired" clients due to various factors ...... One being ethics,

That is good to know

See people talk, and check up on companies not just for employment but also doing business with them. Before i start a contract with a company i phone a friend ask him if did business with them and so on. About 3 days in I will get a text saying "x amount did work for them" and they are "happy" or "unhappy" with that company. If the word is bad i don't do work for that company if the word is good i normally start as soon as the paper work is in order. Word of mouth is very powerful tool for both contractor and employee.

In the end of the day if a company has a bad reputation then payment might well be a problem and nobody has time for that...


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