The truth about South Africa

[HR Solutions]

Unfortunately lazy people will ALWAYS find some excuse not to work ! If they have any bit of ambition in them they would make any plan and get out there and make it happen.

[Blurock]

If you want to work, you will find something to do, even wash cars or do gardens just to start somewhere. Once you have a job, it is easier to move on the the next, better job than to sit at home. By waiting on tables in a restaurant or washing windows, you meet people. When people see and realise your work ethic, they will often assist you to get a better job, but sitting at home isolates you and does not get you anywhere. You have to set yourself goals and pursue your dreams.

I know of more than one entrepreneur who started out like this. One started by selling fruit and veg in the townships with money he borrowed from his Gogo. As the business grew he moved into town where he met other people and started buying directly from the market as a group to make better margins. He then started hiring people to sell on his behalf, while he was pursuing other business interests. Today he is a successful food manufacturer with two awards as businessman of the year and an MBA under his belt.

Another guy worked as an electrician and was apparently good at his job. When his boss would not allow him to do his trade test, he quit and went to work for an air conditioning concern. He learnt all he could and obtained the necessary qualifications. Today he is a co-owner of his own air conditioning business with a number of corporate businesses as customers.

A guy who worked for us as a gardener became a policeman. He is now enrolled for a BCom at University.

I know of car guards who became security officers due to a job well done and their involvement in getting criminals caught. Sadly, I also offered a youngster a job as trainee lab assistant. he never pitched for the job and recently I saw him working as a car guard...

What is your ambition in life?

[tec0]

wow i just deleted a hell of a lot...

I realized i am wasting my time trying to explain to you, the world you are living in. What is wrong with South Africa... All you have to do is look in the mirror.

You cannot change your views, you are set in your ways and you are always right and everybody else that does not conform is always wrong. You believe only on your own truth, you see only what you want to see, hear only what you want to hear. And because of this foundations will crumble the mighty will fall and will go to hell in a breadbasket...

Good luck with your world, you are going to need it.

[HR Solutions]

I realized i am wasting my time trying to explain to you

Yes you are etc. Unfortunately the facts are the facts and you cannot deny it.

Just thought I would share another short story....

So often we have candidates that do not pitch up for interviews. Do you have any idea which ones they are ? The majority are the nemployed ones ! Im sure you are going to say that its because of transport or something like that and my answer would be they have cell phones - why is it that you can never get hold of them when this happens ? - the cell phone is always off ! Why do they not phone and say they can't make it ? Or send a message to our system which they are told about before hand ? Therefore this is only ONE of my reasons why I say that some people do NOT want to work - they want to put their cv out there so that they can say they are trying but they really don't want to work at the end of the day.

[tec0]

Yes you are etc. Unfortunately the facts are the facts and you cannot deny it.

Just thought I would share another short story....

So often we have candidates that do not pitch up for interviews. Do you have any idea which ones they are ? The majority are the nemployed ones ! Im sure you are going to say that its because of transport or something like that and my answer would be they have cell phones - why is it that you can never get hold of them when this happens ? - the cell phone is always off ! Why do they not phone and say they can't make it ? Or send a message to our system which they are told about before hand ? Therefore this is only ONE of my reasons why I say that some people do NOT want to work - they want to put their cv out there so that they can say they are trying but they really don't want to work at the end of the day.

LOL no deleted a lot of stuff yet again

Facts? Here is some facts for you...

Fact, people don't show up for interviews anymore because they had so many rejections they cannot handle it anymore? My proof a graveyard filled with 18 year old and 21 year old that was told on many occasions they are not good enough so they took there own lives. Cause "depression" More to the point a 14 year old took her own life not to long ago. I personally went trough the screening process about wow i actually did lost count. More then a 100 times... My CV never made it to the interview stage. And you yourself said you will shut the door on me. If you recall. I understand you said it in anger at the time but my guess is you haven't changed your mind on that or on me or on people just like me.

Fact, more people spend money on sport then what they will on a young woman/man trying to get educated. Why because you believe she/he must suffer every step of the way. Hence why many give up on there studies because they couldn't keep the two jobs and study. Many of them also end up becoming druggies, and die.

Fact, is you don't even know about the countless people that work and remain in poverty because there are no opportunity for them. They cannot better themselves because they are to busy surviving from one day to the next. They must sleep in placed you won't, do the jobs you won't and live on money that you will spend on your morning coffee. They lose there family members to violence, slavers, addiction, illness and doggy power connections. Yet you demand from them to stand up while criminals are doing there best to keep these people in fear. They don't plant food because someone will burn it, they don't take risks because they are already sleeping with one eye open.

Fact, is you don't even know what you don't know and you never bothered to find out. It is easy enough go to a local university the rich dad's kids are smiling having one hell of a time. the kid you don't see, the one hidden from your eye is waiting tables selling her body at a local strip club to pay for her education. Using medication or drugs just to forget what they have to do and are doing. Slowly turning them into slaves. You will deny there existence but i know better. There are programs run by good people that is dedicated to pull those young people out trying to give them a better life. Many police stations and volunteers are honestly doing ALL they can... But the wealthy with a few million in the bank will not bother... The world is not broken in there eyes.

You can stand on your head you will NEVER convince me that people are just lazy... Something in them broke... I know this because i took the time to understand. I do what i can, i am not wealthy not strong nor able... BUT i do what i can...

Will you?

[wynn]

I tried googling for the minimum wage tables and got lost because I could find nothing newer than 2014 but it seems that the minimum wage for domestic type work for 2014 was +- R2400.00 PM and that deductible allowances such as accommodation could not total more than 10%

I certainly could not live on that even if I tightened by belt to the dimension of my spine.

Having just said that, I also believe that if a Government dictates a minimum wage all that happens is that the 'Breadline' moves up to that level.

Economics, if left unfettered will, stabilize a wage level that people will not work below, or will only work at for a short period.

[HR Solutions]

Ok tec ...... you must be right with all your "facts" ummmmm Im sure my 30 odd years of experience doesn't count. And I probably haven't ever researched anything or dome my "homework" ..... ever

Fact, is you don't even know what you don't know and you never bothered to find out

Lol ... OK

[Pap_sak]

Wynn - one of the worst paying sectors is retail - and as can be seen here the lowest you going to earn is around R16 p/h http://www.labour.gov.za/DOL/downloa...es2015to16.pdf

Highly unlikely that they will be thinking of low GI or paying R2700 for a car

And I think you would find shared accommodation and public transport would be the norm in the lower LSM groups Tec.

[tec0]

Ok tec ...... you must be right with all your "facts" ummmmm Im sure my 30 odd years of experience doesn't count. And I probably haven't ever researched anything or dome my "homework" ..... ever
Lol ... OK

again deleted a lot... In your 30 years i am sure you saw all kinds of things. But are you telling me you never saw or even have mentioned the things i wrote about here? In 30 years you never heard of young people taking there own lives due to depression? Or that depression can get so bad that a person stops trying? You are telling me that in 30 years you never heard of gang wars in townships or students doing prostitution to complete there studies?

Well maybe you where lucky and never had to see "this stuff" or hear about it. It happens and if so then good... Because i sometimes wish i didn't know about this stuff...

[tec0]

And I think you would find shared accommodation and public transport would be the norm in the lower LSM groups Tec.

Shared accommodation doesn't always work and pubic transport is not acceptable for most employers. On interview you will find that many of them wants you to have your own transport. Lastly low GI is a must have for some people.

[HR Solutions]

Nope tec I don't know anything ............. According to you. Let's just say ....... You are right and know everything ..... ok ?

[Blurock]

wow i just deleted a hell of a lot...

I realized i am wasting my time trying to explain to you, the world you are living in. What is wrong with South Africa... All you have to do is look in the mirror.

You cannot change your views, you are set in your ways and you are always right and everybody else that does not conform is always wrong. You believe only on your own truth, you see only what you want to see, hear only what you want to hear. And because of this foundations will crumble the mighty will fall and will go to hell in a breadbasket...

Good luck with your world, you are going to need it.

There are definitely two sides of a coin. It does not help if you get stuck in your gospel truth and do not see the other side as well. In any race there are winners and losers. There are those that persevere and will run until their last breath, but they will finish the course. Then there are those that drop out because of reasons beyond their control, but often there are those that just give up without even trying or putting much effort into it.

If you have the attitude of a loser, you will never make it in life. If have seen the poorest of the poor persevere and eventually make it through sheer preservation and hard work. A positive attitude and a friendly nature goes a long way in winning people over. You have to believe in yourself to make others believe in you as well.

[tec0]

There are definitely two sides of a coin. It does not help if you get stuck in your gospel truth and do not see the other side as well. In any race there are winners and losers. There are those that persevere and will run until their last breath, but they will finish the course. Then there are those that drop out because of reasons beyond their control, but often there are those that just give up without even trying or putting much effort into it.

If you have the attitude of a loser, you will never make it in life. If have seen the poorest of the poor persevere and eventually make it through sheer preservation and hard work. A positive attitude and a friendly nature goes a long way in winning people over. You have to believe in yourself to make others believe in you as well.

Attitude for the most part is purely secondary. The realities are that individuals have pressure points and once those points are activated it is very hard to turn off again. Example if you buy a pie at a place and you find a decapitated mouse inside it you will never eat there again. Why because you mind will forever remember that moment. If a boss handles you poorly then all bosses from that point onward will automatically fall under the same conclusion. Regardless if it is true or false.

Example a few heated debates ago, some where under the opinion that all youngsters was lazy and want to sit at home and play video games and cry about missed opportunities and they refused to change there point of view. Now if that is a indication then surly the other side of the coin is also true. A simple refusal to try again because of a bad experience.

See people on both sides of the coins deal with group mentality and not individual mentality and then the "guilty by association" kicks in and that becomes a real problem fast. Yes you get bad students/workers but you also get bad situations/companies and both needs to be recognized so that one can move forward.

Example HR saw the one half and I the other half. We are conflicted because we never experienced what the other experienced thus our truths are truths but cannot be shared because we don't know what we don't know. I never bothered trying to find snobs not interested in work, HR may not want to go where i go and find the people i have found. It is perfectly reasonable but BOTH exists and are fact regardless.

That is why it is important to identify yourself "look in the mirror" Question yourself "Is my general idea/concept within reason" and i will tell you outright i am completely one-sided and it is not good but so are other people...

So in future i will take an interest in the the lazy person and see what makes them tick... But will others take in interest? That remains to be seen...

[gac]

Many of your points are valid but beware of using words like "them" because that allows the opponents of your views to divert the discussion in another direction away from points of validity.

[Blurock]

Attitude for the most part is purely secondary. The realities are that individuals have pressure points and once those points are activated it is very hard to turn off again. Example if you buy a pie at a place and you find a decapitated mouse inside it you will never eat there again. Why because you mind will forever remember that moment. If a boss handles you poorly then all bosses from that point onward will automatically fall under the same conclusion. Regardless if it is true or false.

So all bosses are bad because of a past experience. Is that not an attitude problem? If you do find a good boss and you piss him off with that attitude, you would have already ruined your reputation.

Example a few heated debates ago, some where under the opinion that all youngsters was lazy and want to sit at home and play video games and cry about missed opportunities and they refused to change there point of view. Now if that is a indication then surly the other side of the coin is also true. A simple refusal to try again because of a bad experience.

A refusal to try again is the attitude of a loser. A winner will always try again, not by repeating the same mistakes, but learning from an experience and then approaching it differently. Not all youngsters are lazy. I have quoted enough examples to prove the fact. It just hurts so much when you see a guy with potential throw away his future due to a bad and lazy attitude.

See people on both sides of the coins deal with group mentality and not individual mentality and then the "guilty by association" kicks in and that becomes a real problem fast. Yes you get bad students/workers but you also get bad situations/companies and both needs to be recognized so that one can move forward.

Glad you see the point. Group mentality and individual mentality is an attitude; it's a mindset, a way of thinking.

That is why it is important to identify yourself "look in the mirror" Question yourself "Is my general idea/concept within reason" and i will tell you outright i am completely one-sided and it is not good but so are other people...

Because other people are wrong, it does not make you less wrong. Do not look at what other people are doing to justify your actions. Be yourself and be the best that you can be.

So in future i will take an interest in the the lazy person and see what makes them tick... But will others take in interest? That remains to be seen...

People do land in jobs that they are not suited or qualified for. Their lack of interest is often seen as being lazy or having the wrong attitude. Once they find their niche things often turn around. It is therefore important to know yourself. Identify your strengths and weaknesses, so that you can work around it. You cannot be an accountant if you do not have an aptitude for figures. You can also not be a crane driver if you do not have the co-ordination required. Find out what you are good at and try and build on your own skills. Never stop learning. That way you will eventually find a job or an occupation that you like and that you can excell in.