Freedom for all in 1994 - Are we all really free?

[JanChris]

Unemployment is rising

[HR Solutions]

Yes it is, but finding the right people to do a job is also becoming harder and harder, therefore there is def work but not the right skills to match the work.

[Mqmbomvu]

According to the simple defination of freedom, we are not free. We a mentally free, knowing that you are is nothing if you unable practice your freeness. Whats makes man to do what he like is dertemined by his wealthy. Ths goes to say political freedom can't free a man, its only economic freedom can rescue a man. Here in SA we granted only political freedom in CODESAs, that freedom we have is called pseudo-independent.

[pmbguy]

According to the simple defination of freedom, we are not free. We a mentally free, knowing that you are is nothing if you unable practice your freeness. Whats makes man to do what he like is dertemined by his wealthy. Ths goes to say political freedom can't free a man, its only economic freedom can rescue a man. Here in SA we granted only political freedom in CODESAs, that freedom we have is called pseudo-independent.

You correct in saying that political freedom does not really mean freedom until there is economic freedom.

But let’s take a step back and look at “political” freedom first. The white minority does not have political freedom in SA and are heavily suppressed by law. The ANC (Even the president) publically incites violence against white people. This whilst the white murder rate is far above all other races, and there is a 95%+ Black on White murder rate

Back to economic freedom, the incompetent corrupt ANC alliance will eventually destroy industry... no chance of economic freedom to anybody then.

Freedom, both economic and political, is under severe threat from the ANC – an ANC who has turned its back on its foundation of non racialism a long time ago.

[HR Solutions]

According to the simple defination of freedom, we are not free. We a mentally free, knowing that you are is nothing if you unable practice your freeness. Whats makes man to do what he like is dertemined by his wealthy. Ths goes to say political freedom can't free a man, its only economic freedom can rescue a man. Here in SA we granted only political freedom in CODESAs, that freedom we have is called pseudo-independent.

To create your own freedom is up to you - to get an education - to get qualified in anything that you are capable of doing - to get good employment and to grow yourself to create your own freedom. You cannot expect freedom without doing something about it yourself. The people around you or the government can only create freedom up to a certain point - the rest is up to you.

Whats makes man to do what he like is dertemined by his wealth

And what does "wealth" mean ? And how would you say you go about getting wealth ?

[adrianh]

There is no such thing as freedom. There are always constraints and rules......Nothing, nowhere, ever...is totally free. There is no such thing as economic freedom either...you more you get the more you want.

Freedom, my friend, is a state of mind...just like happiness and love...

[Mqmbomvu]

Yes it is true that the white minority their political freedom has been violated; that violation has began frm 1994. So, ths thing has swang frm one side to another. Before 1994, it was majority black were crying of freedom, during that time only white minority enjoyed both econ & political freeness. I agree again that ths ANC is destrubting all freedom we fougth by corruption ectc. To one who say freedom dertemined by yourself i can't agree. This is because i believe that psychological awarenes about things such as justice,freedom or moral issues is nothing if you know then but unable to do practically. Therefore, again i can say it is the wealth that dertemine ability.

[Blurock]

According to the simple defination of freedom, we are not free. We a mentally free, knowing that you are is nothing if you unable practice your freeness. Whats makes man to do what he like is dertemined by his wealthy. Ths goes to say political freedom can't free a man, its only economic freedom can rescue a man. Here in SA we granted only political freedom in CODESAs, that freedom we have is called pseudo-independent.

Standing in a queue and waiting for handouts is not freedom. Freedom is the ability to make choices. The choices that you make now will determine your future. Choosing an education instead of demonstrating and burning public buildings. Choosing the right career path and not just a job. Choosing not to support and harbour thieves and fraudsters. Choosing the right leaders. Real leaders who can serve their communities and lead by example, not cadres deployed because they are friends with number 1. Choosing a government that will not enrich themselves at the expense of the people.

Having freedom comes with responsibility. Responsibility for your country and your fellow South Africans. That means that you will fight corruption, fight bad government or poor service delivery, fight poverty and the undermining of our economy by illegal, cheap, shitty imports. You will pay your taxes and do your part in building this country. You will protect jobs by resisting unrealistic demands by trade unions and politicians who are the only ones who benefit from strikes. You will assist in building and not breaking down.

Brick by brick we can build this country if everyone pulls together. Only if we have a strong and growing economy will we be able to spread the wealth. Wealth does not mean that two or three politicians or connected crooks have all the money. A country's wealth is measured by the well being of all its people, not just the politicians.

[wynn]

Therefore, again i can say it is the wealth that dertemine ability.

Mqmbomvu you are possibly the tip of an iceberg that is realizing the idea of requiring wealth to progress, the next stage is to realize that the 80 odd billion that has been corrupted out of the annual fiscus by cANCer politicians and cronies is actually the wealth that you require to progress.
If you take Nkandla alone at R250million it could have built 5,000 RDP houses @ R50,000 each, that would have given at least 30,000 maybe more people a roof over their heads and that is just one glaring instance.
Now take the R80 billion? how many schools, clinics, hospitals, colleges, university bursaries, small business start ups, etc could that have been used for in one year instead of R1million cars for blue light brigades and on and on???

Wake up! the government is stealing your future progress while you sit and complain.

[Mqmbomvu]

Wynn' i get your point. I agree that this economic freedom already arrived but the impediments now is our black fellow brothers and sisters who delay our success by corruption.

[HR Solutions]

Wynn' i get your point. I agree that this economic freedom already arrived but the impediments now is our black fellow brothers and sisters who delay our success by corruption.

Yep so the question is - what are YOU going to do about it ?

[JanChris]

How fickle are we not, everyone complains while we support a corrupt system, the government hands out t-shirts and food parcels just before election and we vote for them. Then we don't hear or see them while they collect and think of new ways to screw Joe public.

We cannot even agree to this but we have ideas how to "rectify" the problem while most government offices are corrupt. One of the MOST important issues are safety for the citizens, the farmers are being murdered and the "whites" own everything. so it is claimed.

The farms that were taken over by "others" are no longer productive. I am so sick and tired of people who have no balls to say what is happening because they want to be politically correct. You be politically correct while we end up like Zimbabwe and if no-one can see that we are heading the same way, we are not just blind but stupid. Mugabe said that all Europeans must leave Africa, maybe all Africans should return to Africa and then compete to see which content will be more successful. I understand that from 2009 Zimbabwe has adopted the American dollar as the Zim dollar is too weak. Rhodesia used to be such a beautiful country before it started to burn.

HR, education is going to be of no benefit to anyone if there are no jobs to fill, not all has the mental and financial ability to start their own venture.

[HR Solutions]

Jan I repeat there are jobs to fill and lots of them. You have to be correctly educated to fill them tho.

Jan what would you suggest people do and what are you doing about the "government" "problem"?

[Justloadit]

Individual rights are not subject to a public vote; a majority has no right to vote away the rights of a minority; the political function of rights is precisely to protect minorities from oppression by majorities (and the smallest minority on earth is the individual).

I found a wonderful site with many quotes so close to home

Another interesting quote

Quite frankly, I think political correctness is the worst form of censorship. You're not allowed to speak your mind unless you're black, or unless you're a terrorist, or unless you're an Arab or a minority people. Then you can say what you like. But if you are like a lot of us you are not supposed to say certain things.

another one

Corruption is the enemy of development, and of good governance. It must be got rid of. Both the government and the people at large must come together to achieve this national objective.

and last one for now but not least

We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force.

[JanChris]

Jan I repeat there are jobs to fill and lots of them. You have to be correctly educated to fill them tho.

Jan what would you suggest people do and what are you doing about the "government" "problem"?

My Good Man, I am opposing everything that is not fair or does not allow all citizens of SA a chance to make a living peacefully & safely. I belong to a number of organisations. I am currently training 50 youngsters in a trade. When I did mine I never had a government that paid my meals or transport as what is happening now. The training centres should NEVER have been stopped.