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  • IanF
    Moderator

    • Dec 2007
    • 2680

    #31
    Originally posted by Didditmiself
    All I can say is God help us if we should be invaded by another country. Our ragtag aids infested "army" will have neither the strength nor the experience to defend South Africa; I wonder if the other countries up north have taken note of how truly weak our 'Defence Force' actually seem to be and will therefore take the opportunity to attack SA to see what they can get out of us by doing it. Or am I just being paranoid for nothing?
    How did you arrive at this conclusion? Do you have inside information?
    Only stress when you can change the outcome!

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    • Blurock
      Diamond Member

      • May 2010
      • 4203

      #32
      Originally posted by Didditmiself
      All I can say is God help us if we should be invaded by another country. Our ragtag aids infested "army" will have neither the strength nor the experience to defend South Africa; I wonder if the other countries up north have taken note of how truly weak our 'Defence Force' actually seem to be and will therefore take the opportunity to attack SA to see what they can get out of us by doing it. Or am I just being paranoid for nothing?
      A while back, it took our army two weeks to overpower a group of rebels in the Lesotho army. What are the odds today?
      Excellence is not a skill; its an attitude...

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      • IanF
        Moderator

        • Dec 2007
        • 2680

        #33
        Only 200 of the soldiers had been sent at the time of the attack and it was this group which, at the weekend, fought armed forces numbering over 1 000.
        From this article in M&G
        200 vs 1000 and they are reported to have fought them off! The army doesn't look that bad, or what am I missing?
        Only stress when you can change the outcome!

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        • Blurock
          Diamond Member

          • May 2010
          • 4203

          #34
          Originally posted by IanF
          From this article in M&G
          200 vs 1000 and they are reported to have fought them off! The army doesn't look that bad, or what am I missing?
          Will we ever know the truth? I am just glad that they are bringing the guys back.
          Excellence is not a skill; its an attitude...

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          • Didditmiself
            Email problem

            • Sep 2012
            • 183

            #35
            Ian, no I don't have inside information. The information is so closely guarded by Zooma and his cronies I don't think any of us civvies have any idea of what is really going on. I have concluded that we have an ill prepared army from the newspaper reports and various media. I have also read how rife aids is in the armed forces. So I'm not jumping to my own conclusions. I am not in a position to verify the accuracy or correctness of the newspaper editorials. I (like most people) have to rely to a greater or lesser degree on what we read in the newspaper, or hear on the radio or see on the TV. That is why I ended my post with a rhetorical question. So, my friend, if you have a different conclusion, let us know.

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            • Citizen X
              Diamond Member

              • Sep 2011
              • 3411

              #36
              Originally posted by IanF
              From this article in M&G
              200 vs 1000 and they are reported to have fought them off! The army doesn't look that bad, or what am I missing?
              They fought very bravely! Apparently, those that were killed were the first line of defence outside the base. We now know that the rebels took them by surprise. The rebels didn't want to attack them, but , the base was in between the rebels and their march to the palace. According to the minister it was the rebels who handed the bodies back to the base. I found her to be very credible. It still doesn't answer the question why our soldiers were still there after the fact of Bozize been toppled. Her response is that, they already made the decision to withdraw in December and were in the process of withdrawal...keen to see how this pans out..
              “Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm." Winston Churchill
              Spelling mistakes and/or typographical errors I found in leading publications.
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              "Without prejudice and all rights reserved"

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              • IanF
                Moderator

                • Dec 2007
                • 2680

                #37
                diditmyself I probably read the same news as you. The one thing that I bear in mind is that newspapers look for angles to "sell" the news to you. IE they tell you what you want to hear. I always look for the hidden facts to get a broader view.
                I remember this from attending financial results presentations and the sensational getting the publicity.
                Only stress when you can change the outcome!

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                • Blurock
                  Diamond Member

                  • May 2010
                  • 4203

                  #38
                  Originally posted by IanF
                  From this article in M&G
                  200 vs 1000 and they are reported to have fought them off! The army doesn't look that bad, or what am I missing?
                  It may be worse. An army that has no discipline or respect for a rank is not an army. When soldiers lie around idly in their base while toilets are blocked, the place is in disrepair and filthy and they fail to salute an officer (colonel in this case) it is already late in the day. Visit any army base and see for yourself.

                  In this case I blame the fat cat generals who know nothing about discipline themselves and even less about leading men into battle.
                  Excellence is not a skill; its an attitude...

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                  • pmbguy
                    Platinum Member

                    • Apr 2013
                    • 2095

                    #39
                    The thing about zim-SA

                    Even if Mugabe wanted to concede a total defeat out his own free will, he can’t. All those many friends and many “friends”, that he has surrounded himself with, have it in their own best interest to keep him and zanu pf in power. They would all lose allot of assets if they fail. They got the old man by the balls

                    But look, the guy is 89y old and will meet his maker soon. I don’t know how zanu pf will wield what power they have after the death of M. The exact, current, real relationship between Mugabe and Zuma/ANC is unclear. China will be giving the ANC some “advice” and this could dictate how it plays out.

                    (If I was the ANC I would sit back, play both hands. If zanu pf is deposed, SA will take over many lucrative deals.
                    If zanu pf remain, the ANC still score by getting some deals anyway, their payment for not acting against them (by them I mean zanu pf and/or possibly china.)

                    The ANC is not stupid though, but they are weakening. A “good enough” government will come at some point in SA

                    Will see how it plays
                    It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change. – Charles Darwin

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                    • Dave S
                      Gold Member

                      • Jun 2007
                      • 733

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Didditmiself
                      All I can say is God help us if we should be invaded by another country. Our ragtag aids infested "army" will have neither the strength nor the experience to defend South Africa; I wonder if the other countries up north have taken note of how truly weak our 'Defence Force' actually seem to be and will therefore take the opportunity to attack SA to see what they can get out of us by doing it. Or am I just being paranoid for nothing?
                      Personally I don't see another country wanting to invade us, yes we have natural resources that other countries would want, but I think any country looking at SA would see a circus about to topple the tent, all they would have to do is wait for it and then walk in without even presenting arms, keep you eyes on the China/ANC relations. It wouldn't surprise me if all south africans are soon to become buddhists.
                      Today Defines Tomorrow
                      Errare Humanum Est Remitto Divinus

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                      • IanF
                        Moderator

                        • Dec 2007
                        • 2680

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Blurock
                        It may be worse. An army that has no discipline or respect for a rank is not an army. When soldiers lie around idly in their base while toilets are blocked, the place is in disrepair and filthy and they fail to salute an officer (colonel in this case) it is already late in the day. Visit any army base and see for yourself.

                        In this case I blame the fat cat generals who know nothing about discipline themselves and even less about leading men into battle.
                        Which base was this?
                        Only stress when you can change the outcome!

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                        • Blurock
                          Diamond Member

                          • May 2010
                          • 4203

                          #42
                          Originally posted by IanF
                          Which base was this?
                          This happened when the ex troopers were supposed to register for their "pensions".
                          Excellence is not a skill; its an attitude...

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                          • IanF
                            Moderator

                            • Dec 2007
                            • 2680

                            #43
                            Is it still like that?
                            Surely this would change.
                            Only stress when you can change the outcome!

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                            • Blurock
                              Diamond Member

                              • May 2010
                              • 4203

                              #44
                              Originally posted by IanF
                              Is it still like that?
                              Surely this would change.
                              This happened last year and was confirmed by the colonel that troops do not salute officers. I don't know if it is only this particular base. If you see troops walking in the street with a coke in the one hand and a cigarette in the other, with total disregard for their uniform, it is believeable.
                              Excellence is not a skill; its an attitude...

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                              • Didditmiself
                                Email problem

                                • Sep 2012
                                • 183

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Blurock
                                This happened last year and was confirmed by the colonel that troops do not salute officers. I don't know if it is only this particular base. If you see troops walking in the street with a coke in the one hand and a cigarette in the other, with total disregard for their uniform, it is believeable.
                                Like I said before: We have a ragtag army......

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