Jessica Leandra Dos Santos racial tweets

[adrianh]

Ok Vanash, thats quite a list you've got there. I find it interesting that your list is primarily white vs black, what about alll the other people that hate one another.


Ou broer, all I can say is this, when the shoe fits then it shall be worn. We speak in generalizations based on what we see. If I see a broken Ford Sierra 4 out of 5 time I see a broken car by the side of the road then I feel that I am at liberty to say that a Ford Sierra is a crap car - not so? Why do some believe that people can generalize about everything except race? We know that Chinese people look different but (if the nanny state had its way) we are not allowed to say so, why? So I must tell my kids, no, you musn't say that that guy looks like he could be Chinese because he might be offended??? Now for another question, how is it that we can agree that people could look completely different yet be exactly the same inside, have the exact same cognitive abilities and outlooks. If this is so then howcome a Basset is as dumb as $h1t yet an Alsatian is highly intelligent. Selective breeding you would say, ok, so did Chinese features not evolve for the exact same reason (i.e. developing in isolation).

Right, now lets move this discussion into the 4th dimension. We are taught from when we are little that we are better than the next guy. Think about it, if Johnny practices at tennis then he will be a better player than everybody else. Johnny has to believe that his boxing opponent is weak and that he is going to crush him. If our team plays hard then we will beat the other team because we are better. If our company is more clever then the other company then we will make more money because we are better than the competition. If we pray harder than the enemy then our diety will save us because we are better than the enemy. If we make more noise than other political parties then we will overcome all the other political parties because they are crap and we are better. If we wave our flag and smite those people who don't want to give us oil its ok because we are better than them......all of this is ok just as long as you don't stoop so low as to use race. (So we can't say that ABSA retrenched 90% of its IT because it all got outsourced to India and that Indians will now be doing the work - we must say that the work will be done by people on the other side of the planet)

This country has reached a point where political correctness has become totally ridiculous. People are not supposed to report race when crime is comitted; Ok, so when a rape suspect is running away and somebody is in pursuit he has to call the police and say "I am chasing a gentleman who has 2 legs, 2 arms, a body, darkish hair, he is only wearing a red speedo but I just simply can't tell what colour he is"....uhhhhhh

Now here is a thought on political correctness: Howcome the media and everybody refer to Jessica as a white 20 year old? - if black people are against racism then they should not have referred to her race now should they? They should have said that a lady (you can't use the word young because in a nanny state middle aged and elderly people would take great offence) Tweeted whatever she did. The manner in which they reacted simply went to prove once again that people fight fire with fire....

If there is one thing that I have learned about people then it is this: We are all hypocrites in some way or another, the only difference between some of us and many others is that we know that we are.

[Citizen X]

Good evening Adrian,
You raise interesting points! That said, the problem with stereo types is that they are a barrier to effective communication becuase an individual will already have preconceived ideas about that person i.e. 'Indians are corrupt,' it just so happens that an Indian by the name of Shabir Shaik commits corruption and is convicted of the same. The sterio type is now reinforced i.e. 'Oh, you see what Shabir Shaik done, so it's true Indians are corrupt.' I don't think it's a problem to refer to a person's race for identification purposes provided that there is no discrimatory intent. The intention should always be looked at. During our census, we were all asked what our race is. In criminal law, for identification purposes to need to mention the race of the suspect but it's not to discriminate against the suspect it's merely for identification purposes. It's quite correct to say that Indians from India will be doing the it work of the retrenched ABSA staff. It's also perfectly inorder to be angry about that fact. In this case the facts are merely stated, but they not stated in a discrimatory manner with intent to hurt or offend the next person. It holds very true, we are all hypocrites in certain ways.....

[tec0]

Discrimination > Unfair treatment of a person or group on the basis of prejudice.

When an application for a job fails due to the person's status as a minority then it is not considered as discrimination because there are systems emplace that makes it ok? One cannot talk about this because it is taboo…

Yet a simple insult has the brute power to have a person dismissed and incarcerated because there are systems emplace to make it so?

and this is acceptable because?

[Citizen X]

Good evening Tec0,
You raise valid points! I don't support the redressing of past unfairness to the detriment and exclusion of any minority. I belive that affirmative action is now past it's sell by date. We've had a goof 18 years for this. I also don't condone reverse racism by certain minority members of the Indian, Black and Colored community against White individuals. I also don't accept the position of blaming the previous repungent apartheid regime for every single problem that non whites now have. The past is the past, we can't undo the past. We can however change the future. I believe , perhaps naively so, that all South Africans must forget the past and create a true rainbow nation where our kids can have a bright future with equal opportunity. I believe in ongoing ubuntu and ongoing reconciliation. All South African regardless of their race have a right to enjoy this country equally. I understand that affirmative action makes this notion seem impossible. I'm of the opinion that this matter is one best lobbied in parliament where oppositions parties put a time deadline as to when affirmative action should be stopped and all South Africans can apply for a job strictly on merit and not on race. I also see how millions of Black people are still suffering in the informal settlements. I think creative ways should be conjured up to keep all South Africans happy....

[adrianh]

So why don't those people suffering in the informal settlements get off their butts and do something for themselves. They will be ever so surprised to find that food actually grows in the ground, that rubbish can be picked up by themselves, that they can cook food together and don't actually have to burn their shacks down in the process, that they can build their own toilets, that they can...must I continue....I have very little sympathy for people who do nothing for themselves....

You see, there are concepts that do not fit in my view of the world; being handed a house, jumping up and down and demanding stuff and burning whatever is at hand, this one sided nonsense called democracy, suffering due to one's own lazyness/stupidity, standing on a street corner every day begging to buy air time...again, shall I continue...

I work hard and I educate myself, I don't burn anything and I don't blame anybody or any diety for my circumstance and I don't expect anybody to do anything for me for free, its not about being black or white, it is about taking responsibility for your own life.

[tec0]

Well I believe people must help themselves yes. I do also believe that education systems must be made available so that people can do just that. The responsibility starts with government giving people the education they need to purify water for drinking and using it for plants.

How to grow plants is easy enough however again you need the very basics called seeds and they cost round about R8 a packet "you do get them cheaper" then you need time. Thing is simple yet effective recourses can be made available and it will be inexpensive.

[gac]

Im with VN in that I am very wary of all these social networks. Apart from being gross time wasters, stealing precious time from our lives in their all consuming nature, they're dangerous! Keeping up with The Forum is tough enough and together with Google, they're a source of more information I could ever need. Shouting your mouth off on a network such as Twitter is just plain dumb!

[adrianh]

Tec0 - yes I agree , the government must provide, I mean, how on earth are people supposed to do anything at all for themselves. There must be something wrong with me to educate myself and work very hard to make a better life for my family, better toi toi, burn my neighbours house down and demand that the government supply me with 64 inch plasma tv, and if they don't them I will blockade my street by burning my own car's tyres.

[tec0]

Tec0 - yes I agree , the government must provide, I mean, how on earth are people supposed to do anything at all for themselves. There must be something wrong with me to educate myself and work very hard to make a better life for my family, better toi toi, burn my neighbours house down and demand that the government supply me with 64 inch plasma tv, and if they don't them I will blockade my street by burning my own car's tyres.

Ok let me spell it out for you. The average pay per day is less then R20 for these people. Now you expect them to do what exactly? Spend it on seeds that will only become food in a few weeks? A post like this just pisses me off really. Here is the deal government can provide for the seeds to be planted now in their infinite bugged that is in the BILLIONS is that just too much to ask for?

Really!!! Honestly!!!

People can read I am sure they will see the mindset in the end.

Two years ago I donated a box of mixed seeds to a daily loaner. Not long thereafter he came and showed me all the veggies and stuff he had grown for him and his family and because he had the food he spend the money on more seeds and other stuff like blankets. He is not working anymore he is growing food and selling it where he lives. He is doing well for himself. Now that is what a single act of kindness can do…

Fact is on a R20 budget and children to feed guess what I expect people to buy food that can be consumed within the same day.

Also training is not cheap! Try and guess what a single N3 subject cost? And remember you cannot access the government facility due to whatever reason so you have to do it where it is close to you.

I get it!!! You work hard for your money… You had to study hard to get where you are at. I did the same and am still learning new tricks to maintain an income. But fact is circumstances is the regulator here. That is fact.

[Justloadit]

Ha, reminds me of an employee I had many years ago in a company I was a director, which manufactured technical training equipment. We had an extensive library of the training manuals with the equipment available to any one wishing to use it. One particular staff member one day turned round to me, and said that the reason he was not educated in the technical field was because the government at the time never allowed hm to go to tertiary education, I am sure you know what my answer was - stop blaming every one else but yourself, you have all the facilities right here to study and to educate yourself in the technical field you desire, you even have staff here that will be able to guide you. Well to this day, still blames the previous government.

Also reminds me of the time I wanted to train the staff, and was quite prepared to spend my lunch times doing this, well no one pitched up. The consensus is that training must be done during working hours, not on their own time - WTF

Well after that incident, I just did not care anymore - here I was offering an opportunity, which when it came my way I had jumped in with both feet.

So this says lot, does it not.

[adrianh]

tec0 - yes man, I agree with you, the government must provide, how on earth are they supposed to do anything for themselves. Ag shame man, just think about it, having nothing better to do than to make babies and wait for the truck full of plasma tv's to arrive. (no, scratch that idea, the road is covered with burning tyres) Then of course they could wait for manna to fall from the sky (no, scratch that idea, the government didn't provide manna catching nets) Then there was the library (no, that was burned down last week) oh I nearly forgot, then there is the school (no, we burned that down because there were too few classes - we thought that if you have 5 classrooms and you burn down 5 classrooms then you have 10 classrooms because 5 and 5 is 10...strange thing this mathematics - must be a white thing)

[adrianh]

@Justloadit - I am yet to see a begger begging for knowledge.

[tec0]

Ag shame man, just think about it, having nothing better to do than to make babies

Do you know what happens to those new born children? Look I can see you are trying to tick me off. But no… I have eyes I have a mind and both is working well for now. Fact is you see what you want to see and I cannot change that. I am not going to try.





By the way adrianh are you going to PM me or what?

[adrianh]

Do you know what happens to those new born children

yes, they sit around waiting for the government to provide...

[tec0]

yes, they sit around waiting for the government to provide...

If you say so adrianh…