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  • wynn
    Diamond Member

    • Oct 2006
    • 3338

    #1

    BBBEE wrong

    Solidarity says what we have been saying all along! :- see http://business.iafrica.com/news/847953.html

    "Black economic empowerment (BEE) is to the detriment of all South Africans, including blacks, trade union Solidarity said on Wednesday.

    It was for this reason recommending that the Broad-Based Black Economic Empowerment Amendment Bill of 2012 be withdrawn, it said in a statement.

    The union made the proposal during a presentation to Parliament's portfolio committee on trade and industry on Wednesday.

    Solidarity research institute senior economic researcher Piet le Roux said the bill's purpose was to enable the government to enforce current BEE legislation more stringently.

    "The amendment bill will result in all South Africans being disadvantaged, including those who are supposed to benefit from BEE.

    "The bill will lead to even more resources being made available to relatively less competent entrepreneurs -- black, coloured, Indian and white -- those entrepreneurs who would not make the grade without government assistance."

    This meant fewer consumer goods would be available to all South Africans. The cost of the project would fall on ordinary consumers, who would have to pay more for basic goods.

    Le Roux said it was important to remember it was not just "less competent" black entrepreneurs who benefit from artificial investment, but also whites.

    "White entrepreneurs who would not have made it in the market, but who somehow managed to get a black, coloured or Indian BEE partner, are being kept in business at the expense of consumers," he said.

    Not all emerging entrepreneurs depended on government assistance, but BEE enabled weaker entrepreneurs to do business in an artificial and unsustainable way.

    "Consumers in the market reveal the most effective entrepreneurs through their spending patterns. The most effective entrepreneurs are those who are able to offer consumers the greatest flow of goods and services in the cheapest way," said Le Roux.

    Investors took note of spending patterns and, based on these, allocated resources to entrepreneurs. BEE replaced this consumer-driven allocation with a politically-driven process.

    When there was political interference, resources tended to flow to less effective entrepreneurs.
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  • Justloadit
    Diamond Member

    • Nov 2010
    • 3518

    #2
    You think the government really cares what the Solidarity Trade Union says?
    They have simply dismissed the public outcry with respect to e-Tolls, why would they budge what is filling their pockets right now.
    It's like saying "No, I do not want any more free eggs from the Golden goose".
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    • Blurock
      Diamond Member

      • May 2010
      • 4203

      #3
      Organisations such as NAFCOC and the Black Business Forum agrees that BEE is wrong. What they want in stead is not 51% black ownership, they want 100%. It is not because they are racist, they just like black. Competence and ability does not play a role at all.
      Excellence is not a skill; its an attitude...

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      • Dave A
        Site Caretaker

        • May 2006
        • 22803

        #4
        The fact that Solidarity wants BBBEE scrapped entirely, and the BBF wants to have 100% ownership as the supreme criterium should not surprise anyone. I can't think of a single area where these two organisations share common ground.

        Originally posted by wynn
        Not all emerging entrepreneurs depended on government assistance, but BEE enabled weaker entrepreneurs to do business in an artificial and unsustainable way.
        They're bang on the money there, and at first blush it might seem their strongest point made. The problem is the point fails as long as BBBEE is viewed as a temporary intervention.

        At this point I don't know which is going to end up being the bigger problem in the long run, the economic handicap SA places on itself keeping BBBEE going, or the problem gov is going to face when it runs out of moral ground to justify the continuation of BBBEE policies.

        I guess the question I'd like answered is - if it is temporary (however long that might be), what is the exit strategy?

        It might seem a crazy question to require an answer right now, but when you start with the end in mind - the answer will probably be a better indicator of what government should be doing at this point than what the various "vested interest" groupings are throwing at them.
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        • cyppokagain
          Email problem
          • Dec 2013
          • 40

          #5
          Market Ticker posted this article a few days ago.


          that one linked to this one
          http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=226605

          Btw I don't think any intervention the gov't proposes is ever temporary. It has to blow up in their face really badly for it to be retracted.

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          • Slow Blow
            Full Member

            • Feb 2014
            • 55

            #6
            I'm all for BBBEE, Broad Based "British" Economic Empowerment
            Apparently there is nothing that cannot happen today.

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            • Blurock
              Diamond Member

              • May 2010
              • 4203

              #7
              Originally posted by Slow Blow
              I'm all for BBBEE, Broad Based "British" Economic Empowerment
              Slow Blow has it all wrong. We are no longer a British colony. It should be Broad Based Boss Economic Empowerment.
              The Boss can not pay you if he has no money, dumbass.



              PS. Dumbass in this case are the ones wanting to implement BBBEE; Government and the unions.
              Excellence is not a skill; its an attitude...

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              • pmbguy
                Platinum Member

                • Apr 2013
                • 2095

                #8
                I think that all non blacks must paint themselves black Or all blacks paint themselves white. Then we can end our Racist laws!
                It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change. – Charles Darwin

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                • Blurock
                  Diamond Member

                  • May 2010
                  • 4203

                  #9
                  Originally posted by pmbguy
                  I think that all non blacks must paint themselves black Or all blacks paint themselves white. Then we can end our Racist laws!
                  So what did you expect from a racist government?
                  Excellence is not a skill; its an attitude...

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                  • pmbguy
                    Platinum Member

                    • Apr 2013
                    • 2095

                    #10
                    South Africa is currently a racist state, where your race determines how government treats you. It has become normal that racist laws and racism against white people is somehow seen as OK. We simply changed one set of racist laws into another. Regime change was never about equality, it was about power. They don’t want to be our equals they want to be our masters.
                    It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change. – Charles Darwin

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                    • KristiKat
                      Bronze Member

                      • Feb 2014
                      • 178

                      #11
                      Originally posted by cyppokagain

                      Btw I don't think any intervention the gov't proposes is ever temporary. It has to blow up in their face really badly for it to be retracted.
                      well democracy blowed up in their faces, did they retract that?

                      no I think they enjoy the chaos and freedom that comes with it.

                      There is no responsibility to have when you can do anything.
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                      • KristiKat
                        Bronze Member

                        • Feb 2014
                        • 178

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Blurock
                        So what did you expect from a racist government?
                        true they made democracy a joke.

                        there are no equal rights for MEN,

                        I DON'T THINK THEY REALIZE,

                        that when this all goes down in history,

                        they won't be remembered as "mandiba's peaceful disciples",

                        the very thought of SOUTH AFRICA'S leaders TODAY would leave a foul taste in the mouths of historians all over the world.

                        enforcing a "reverse racism" and calling it a DEMOCRACY,

                        i mean you would have expected the UN to take action by now,

                        to force the BLACK leaders to FOLLOW THE LAWS they promised to uphold with MANDELA'S constitution.
                        “Curiousity is the discovery of satan, the devil was hidden and far, now he stares everyone in the face.” ― Michael Bassey Johnson There is evil! It's actual, like cement... I can't believe it. I can't stand it. Evil is not a view... it's an ingredient in us. In the world. Poured over us, filtering into our bodies, minds, hearts, into the pavement itself.

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                        • Blurock
                          Diamond Member

                          • May 2010
                          • 4203

                          #13
                          I met a nice young man in the the hardware store today. Speaks Zulu, English and Afrikaans fluently (not one of them his home language) with very good manners and also a good salesman. Excellent people skills.

                          With the right guidance I think he may be management material as he has very good people skills. Unfortunately Zweli may never reach his potential, as incompetent fools are being appointed at the top due to BBEEEE and corruption. The incompetent manager will destroy the business causing this friendly salesman to also lose his job when the business eventually close down.
                          Excellence is not a skill; its an attitude...

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                          • KristiKat
                            Bronze Member

                            • Feb 2014
                            • 178

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Blurock
                            I met a nice young man in the the hardware store today. Speaks Zulu, English and Afrikaans fluently (not one of them his home language) with very good manners and also a good salesman. Excellent people skills.

                            With the right guidance I think he may be management material as he has very good people skills. Unfortunately Zweli may never reach his potential, as incompetent fools are being appointed at the top due to BBEEEE and corruption. The incompetent manager will destroy the business causing this friendly salesman to also lose his job when the business eventually close down.
                            What do you mean?

                            Is there inter-politics in the BEE community?

                            I mean that only certain blacks will get promotions?
                            “Curiousity is the discovery of satan, the devil was hidden and far, now he stares everyone in the face.” ― Michael Bassey Johnson There is evil! It's actual, like cement... I can't believe it. I can't stand it. Evil is not a view... it's an ingredient in us. In the world. Poured over us, filtering into our bodies, minds, hearts, into the pavement itself.

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                            • KristiKat
                              Bronze Member

                              • Feb 2014
                              • 178

                              #15
                              oh okay I get what you are saying now,

                              that ANY black person would get promoted,

                              no matter what his skills, talents or potential are.

                              mmm....

                              well said.
                              “Curiousity is the discovery of satan, the devil was hidden and far, now he stares everyone in the face.” ― Michael Bassey Johnson There is evil! It's actual, like cement... I can't believe it. I can't stand it. Evil is not a view... it's an ingredient in us. In the world. Poured over us, filtering into our bodies, minds, hearts, into the pavement itself.

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