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  • Blurock
    Diamond Member

    • May 2010
    • 4203

    #16
    Originally posted by KristiKat
    What do you mean?

    Is there inter-politics in the BEE community?

    I mean that only certain blacks will get promotions?
    The (politically) well connected is thriving on BEE. Most of the BEE appointees have no clue of what they are doing. One only has to look at the mismanagement of state institutions where cadres have been employed; municipalities and parastatals such as Eskom.

    Competent employees have to a great extent been replaced by the politically connected. Talent and ability is not rewarded, only the political affiliation. Because of that, a bright young man such as Zweli may never get a chance to show his ability and rise through the ranks. How do you expect an incompetent manager to identify talent?
    Excellence is not a skill; its an attitude...

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    • Chrisjan B
      Gold Member

      • Dec 2007
      • 610

      #17
      You cannot keep a good man down.....

      He will find his place.

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      • ians
        Diamond Member

        • Apr 2010
        • 3943

        #18
        I got a call two days ago from a BBEEE person who was looking for a competent person to do work for him, because I am assuming he had acquired a contract, but didn't have a clue what it was all about, just needed some one to do the work at a fee less than he had tendered. The way I determined this was by asking him a few technical questions with regards to the scope of work

        At first I thought it was a prank someone was trying to play on me, getting this person to get me worked up.

        I started thinking maybe I should get involved and offer my service, if the person who handed out the contract was stupid enough to give it to a person who hasn't a clue about what he is doing, why not just start a company as a front put a chair and table in a rented room with an old PC to look like an office, ride it and give them dummy info. collect as much money I can knowing I will get shafted eventually, who cares tit for tat. Who will take the fall if I am not the person who signed the deal.

        It is sad to think that this is how I am starting to think living in this country, like red robots, somebody mentioned that people slow down for them, honestly I don't even slow down for them if they have just turned red. However I always check before I pull away when a robot turns green knowing how I and many others are thinking.
        Comments are based on opinion...not always facts....that's why people use an alias.

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        • adrianh
          Diamond Member

          • Mar 2010
          • 6328

          #19
          Originally posted by ians
          It is sad to think that this is how I am starting to think living in this country, like red robots, somebody mentioned that people slow down for them, honestly I don't even slow down for them if they have just turned red. However I always check before I pull away when a robot turns green knowing how I and many others are thinking.

          You know, this is rather profound in that our thinking has shifted from following the law to doing whatever little it takes to stay alive because nobody follows the law.

          Some people do things because it is the law, some do things for fear of the consequences if they get caught when not, and some don't give a $h1t one way or another....

          I find myself, as ians does, in the latter group!

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          • Chrisjan B
            Gold Member

            • Dec 2007
            • 610

            #20
            And this is precisely why our country is in such a bad state!

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            • adrianh
              Diamond Member

              • Mar 2010
              • 6328

              #21
              ....I prefer to refer to it as "majority rule"

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              • KristiKat
                Bronze Member

                • Feb 2014
                • 178

                #22
                Originally posted by Blurock
                The (politically) well connected is thriving on BEE. Most of the BEE appointees have no clue of what they are doing. One only has to look at the mismanagement of state institutions where cadres have been employed; municipalities and parastatals such as Eskom.

                Competent employees have to a great extent been replaced by the politically connected. Talent and ability is not rewarded, only the political affiliation. Because of that, a bright young man such as Zweli may never get a chance to show his ability and rise through the ranks. How do you expect an incompetent manager to identify talent?
                wonder why is that?

                the more brain dead people that works for the HIGHER SYSTEM in place,

                the more power they maintain over the masses

                to ensure that no real change is ever made by people who really can.

                Originally posted by chrismine
                And this is precisely why our country is in such a bad state!
                they want it this way...

                the more chaos is going on in the bottom feeder community,

                the more they can get away with corruption behind the "smoke" screens....

                people are forced to be occupied with their chaos,

                and don't have time to THINK ABOUT correcting bigger problems.

                Originally posted by adrianh
                ....I prefer to refer to it as "majority rule"
                is it a majority rule if it threatens to prejudice people in the so called "majority"?
                “Curiousity is the discovery of satan, the devil was hidden and far, now he stares everyone in the face.” ― Michael Bassey Johnson There is evil! It's actual, like cement... I can't believe it. I can't stand it. Evil is not a view... it's an ingredient in us. In the world. Poured over us, filtering into our bodies, minds, hearts, into the pavement itself.

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                • Justloadit
                  Diamond Member

                  • Nov 2010
                  • 3518

                  #23
                  @ians,

                  The only concern I have with this type of deal, is if I am going to get paid for services rendered.
                  9 out of 10 times, they have no money, and expect you to use your funds to complete the job. They get paid, and all of a sudden the urge to buy that new car with the new found wealth overwhelms them, and you left in the dwang.

                  Seen this happen a couple of times.

                  If they can not fund the project from the onset, move on, it will be cheaper for you.

                  Had a situation like a few months ago, the deal was a 6 figure sum, but I had to supply the goods to x who would supply the municipality.
                  So I said, 80% with order, balance before you collect. His answer was - "so I must finance the municipality?", and my answer was "Mr that is your problem, the way I do business is COD". Well he was bust a couple of months later, he had been waiting a almost a year for a previous contract. Had I supplied, I would have been bust.
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                  • KristiKat
                    Bronze Member

                    • Feb 2014
                    • 178

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Justloadit
                    @ians,

                    The only concern I have with this type of deal, is if I am going to get paid for services rendered.
                    9 out of 10 times, they have no money, and expect you to use your funds to complete the job. They get paid, and all of a sudden the urge to buy that new car with the new found wealth overwhelms them, and you left in the dwang.

                    Seen this happen a couple of times.

                    If they can not fund the project from the onset, move on, it will be cheaper for you.
                    one word: TAX.
                    “Curiousity is the discovery of satan, the devil was hidden and far, now he stares everyone in the face.” ― Michael Bassey Johnson There is evil! It's actual, like cement... I can't believe it. I can't stand it. Evil is not a view... it's an ingredient in us. In the world. Poured over us, filtering into our bodies, minds, hearts, into the pavement itself.

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                    • Blurock
                      Diamond Member

                      • May 2010
                      • 4203

                      #25
                      Originally posted by adrianh
                      ....I prefer to refer to it as "majority rule"
                      ...and we all know that the majority of people on this planet are plain stupid. How else do you explain them voting for people who steal from you? People who don't give a damn and are only interested in enriching themselves. Anarchists, murderers, war mongers, corrupt liars. People with no morals whatsoever.

                      Look at governments all over the world and what they do. Stupid people vote them into power. They live among us, and there are many more of them than people with common sense.
                      Excellence is not a skill; its an attitude...

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                      • KristiKat
                        Bronze Member

                        • Feb 2014
                        • 178

                        #26
                        smart people DO NOT VOTE because they know it is useless,

                        the ZOMBIES are the majority
                        “Curiousity is the discovery of satan, the devil was hidden and far, now he stares everyone in the face.” ― Michael Bassey Johnson There is evil! It's actual, like cement... I can't believe it. I can't stand it. Evil is not a view... it's an ingredient in us. In the world. Poured over us, filtering into our bodies, minds, hearts, into the pavement itself.

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                        • Blurock
                          Diamond Member

                          • May 2010
                          • 4203

                          #27
                          Originally posted by KristiKat
                          smart people DO NOT VOTE because they know it is useless,

                          the ZOMBIES are the majority
                          By not voting, you are giving the Zombies a free hand. You have to vote to cancel the vote of at least one Zombie.
                          Excellence is not a skill; its an attitude...

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                          • KristiKat
                            Bronze Member

                            • Feb 2014
                            • 178

                            #28
                            it won't work,

                            government stays the same throughout centuries,

                            the populous would always suffer and be exploited under those who are in control...........
                            “Curiousity is the discovery of satan, the devil was hidden and far, now he stares everyone in the face.” ― Michael Bassey Johnson There is evil! It's actual, like cement... I can't believe it. I can't stand it. Evil is not a view... it's an ingredient in us. In the world. Poured over us, filtering into our bodies, minds, hearts, into the pavement itself.

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                            • adrianh
                              Diamond Member

                              • Mar 2010
                              • 6328

                              #29
                              It is said that "when in Rome do as the Romans do"...Are we now to be told that "When in South Africa DO NOT do as the South Africans do"

                              This doesn't make sense, 45million people behave like complete fools yet 5 million are expected to do the right thing...

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                              • KristiKat
                                Bronze Member

                                • Feb 2014
                                • 178

                                #30
                                there is no HOPE for this country or any other country for that regard....
                                “Curiousity is the discovery of satan, the devil was hidden and far, now he stares everyone in the face.” ― Michael Bassey Johnson There is evil! It's actual, like cement... I can't believe it. I can't stand it. Evil is not a view... it's an ingredient in us. In the world. Poured over us, filtering into our bodies, minds, hearts, into the pavement itself.

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