Haltrex Systems Scam?

[Karenwhe]

Some times last year we have been approached on property investor network by Carte Blanche if we know investors and people that are repossessed for their story.

I think I still have the journalists email address, I know her name, but have to find the address if anyone is interested in writing to them you can PM me and I will give you the name and try to find the email.

As a side note, I think that people should keep updated on this thread with what is happening, hopefully other people won't be scammed and if a law suit does come up from them, you can have more support of others that have been scammed.

I really don't know how they can keep this up.

[Dave A]

Google haltrex.

[Martinco]

Has anyone been sued or blacklisted by these guys yet?

The scary part is that once you are registered with some credit bureau you can blacklist anyone for being a "poor payer" for R35.00.

[garthu]

Google haltrex.

Hmm.. nice. Wonder when they'll click? Excuse the pun....

[duncan drennan]

They have....erm....interesting....terms and conditions of sale on their website. Look at this part,

A binding contract for the sale of goods shall be deemed to come into existence when an offer to purchase goods from Haltrex Systems (Pty) Ltd, has been made by the buyer and subsequently accepted, by Haltrex Systems (Pty) Ltd, sending to the buyer an Order Acknowledgement Form and/or delivering the goods to the buyer.

So according to their terms of sale, all they have to do is deliver the goods to you for you to be bound by their terms. Surely this is rubbish. Maybe I should put some terms of purchase up on my site which say that unless an official purchase order is received then no invoices will be accepted for processing...regardless of whether I have received the goods or not

[garthu]

To add that, all they have to do is send you a fax

sending to the buyer an Order Acknowledgement Form

Acknowledgment is spelt wrong just to rub it in some more....

[Karenwhe]

I may be wrong, but I do not believe those terms stand for anything, because you did not buy from the website and because you did not click "accept" to any terms and conditions in essence and you where not been made aware of these.

Otherwise you next door grocer, would come to you and say: "you agreed to buy milk from my store for the next 50 years every day..... didn't you know that?????... it is written on my website, if you buy one you buy for the next 50 years daily, so we will deliver 2 lt of milk daily to you and charge you and if you don't want it we will charge you anyway."

It doesn't make legal sense or any sense at all.

You have no contract with them and never did. If you accept a delivery, you probably will have to pay for that, but not for those that you do not want and send them back.

I have not heard from them even again, after the last massive screaming match. I belive they now pray on new customers because they know they don't stand a chance in court anyway.

Again I could be wrong, I am not a lawyer.

[duncan drennan]

It doesn't make legal sense or any sense at all.

Yip, my point exactly. It is all nonsense, but if you prey on people and companies that are either too small to resist, or too large to care then you can probably rake in a fair amount of cash with this overly pushy and abrasive sales tactic.

How do you stop this asap? Cease and desist letter from a lawyer?

[Dave A]

To save on searches, the Haltrex terms and conditions are here.

It's all subject to an order from the purchaser, and I don't see anything about a binding, ongoing contract there for futher supplies.

[Karenwhe]

How do you stop this asap?

I would love to know the answer to this question.

[garthu]

Is there not a consumer council type setup.. there has to be, i just dont know who they are though in SA. DTI, would they have a say??

[Dave A]

Reading between the lines so far - screaming seems to work

[twinscythe12332]

Contract, legal definition they're sneaky. the verbal contract would probably hold up in court unless you can prove they tried to send you more than $500 worth of stuff(I can only guess this is commercial goods). however it would appear if you can prove that through the initial phone calls there was no suggestion of exchange (no benefit to the other party) it's null.

otherwise, don't wait for the written confirmation of a cancellation, have your phone tapped and get the verbal proof.

anyway, this is just my opinion on the matter.

[twinscythe12332]

revised look

apologies, turns out setting Google to "pages from South Africa" doesn't filter out the crap from America(as my dad kindly pointed out, gritting his teeth).

[Dave A]

A far better link for a South African contract problem!