Haltrex Systems Scam?

[insulin]

The blue pen is for the following reason: If someone made a copy of the document in question. The writing will show as black and more importantly if a colour photocopy was made then the signature “Time and date” will be thousands of little dots and not fluent pen ink. You do this to authenticate the document for your own personal reasons. Also if someone wants to slip in a deferent version of the document then this will make it more difficult for them to do because they will need to counterfeit the writing at the back of the document. It is good practise...

[Martinco]

Very interesting and makes sense !

[garthu]

Something that seems to be standing out is that they don't seem (highlighted as i don't want someone taking my word and ending in cuck) prepared to go the full mile in enforcing the contract. Probably knowing that they cant or would really struggle to enforce. Maybe they also know then that there 'online" agreement is worthless and just a bully tactic...

Nice one Tim!

[daveob]

The following day the same so called "manager" phoned me back and condescendingly told me to send the ink back, and that a Woolworths voucher in the ink pack would cover the cost of the postage. There was no Woolworths voucher, and so I posted the parcel back by speed-services.

hmmm .. could this opening of the package, to look for the voucher, not be seen as a case of "you opened the package and we therefore can not accept returned good that were opened as we have no way to ascertain if they were used and you must pay for them" ??

just a thought.

personally, I would have told them to send their courier to collect the stuff.

[insulin]

I remember a time when I got a box of modems “serial” and I wanted USB modems as specified on my order to the supplier. When I took delivery I normally open the big box when it gets there before I sign for anything. However these modems come in their own packaging and when I spotted the mistake I just said “take it back” after resealing the box again. The point I am trying to make is I didn’t open the packaging of the modems. But again because this is a scam they will try and force you to take it any way they can.

My advice is “just don’t take delivery and send the crap back”

[Tim P]

We supply musical instruments to music shops throughout South Africa, and our operation is based on mutual trust and sound / fair business practice, since 1980 when we started trading. we receive many parcels from locally and abroad and open the parcels in good faith.

It is not NORMAL to receive parcels from fraudulent sources, and as such it is not NORMAL for us / our business to treat parcels a originating from a dodgy source.

I am not going to let such scams change who I am and what I stand for, however when these people try their luck with me, they must expect my full wrath and my complete commitment to enforcing my rights as a consumer.

[mdgreyling]

Hi!!

Unfortunately I have also just been a victim of this scam. Their way of marketing is to mislead the public. Once the goods are delivered to your house, you are held responsible for the invoice. Not contract was signed and no order was placed!!!!!

What is my rights and did you guys pay them their money?

[DS2009]

Same situation here.

A while ago one of their couriers came to our office and wanted to deliver a 25Lt container of soap... I told the courier guy to basically piss off we did not order anything, I took them invoice from Haltrex and phoned them telling them I never ordered anything from them!

The lady I spoke to then tried to sell me some ink cartridges and or stationary products. Again I basically told her to piss off (don't worry it was put nicely )

But... for the past 2 months we have received an invoice from the in the mail for R5000+ for the soap. I phoned them again and told them we did not take delivery of their stuff and I want to speak with a manager. After a while I was put through to the manager and he told me he would get back to me.

Its been almost 3 weeks now and they have not tried to contact me again. I even gave him my cell phone number.

[Tim P]

Hi!!

Unfortunately I have also just been a victim of this scam. Their way of marketing is to mislead the public. Once the goods are delivered to your house, you are held responsible for the invoice. Not contract was signed and no order was placed!!!!!

What is my rights and did you guys pay them their money?

Hi,

You have rights. If you did not request goods from a supplier then they don't have a leg to stand on. Refuse to pay them.

As a youngster, traveling around Europe and the Far East, I was warned that it was a common trick of whores / prostitutes in bars to sit next to someone, and then somehow the unsuspecting bar patron would be told that he is responsible for a HUGE amount of money for what his "friend" bought. The strong bouncers would then intimidate the customer until he paid up the extortion money.


It would be fun, if someone on this forum had access to a 10 tonne truck and delivered sand to these guys. Dropping it at their front door.

[DS2009]

Hi,

You have rights. If you did not request goods from a supplier then they don't have a leg to stand on. Refuse to pay them.

As a youngster, traveling around Europe and the Far East, I was warned that it was a common trick of whores / prostitutes in bars to sit next to someone, and then somehow the unsuspecting bar patron would be told that he is responsible for a HUGE amount of money for what his "friend" bought. The strong bouncers would then intimidate the customer until he paid up the extortion money.


It would be fun, if someone on this forum had access to a 10 tonne truck and delivered sand to these guys. Dropping it at their front door.

Actually I am in the mood to report this story to Carte Blanche get them to do a story on these guys and maybe warn other people before they fall for this scam.

Looking at hellopeter.com, there are a lot of complaints about this particular company and each of those complaints were caught by this scam.

[suzyq]

These a-holes have gotten to me. i'm very sick of this crap. it's true, a Mark tunes his rubbish story, and now it's a Daton. they've sent me 14 cartridges. i only wanted 2. and on top it's more expensive then at a regular shop. i work in my family business. so it's even affected my relationship with my family. they will not take no for an answer.
we must make a stand against them.
please someone stop them pigs.
i'm only 22, i can't take this anymore. someone help. i even called telkom, if they could block them from calling the business number. telkom doesn't block numbers.
what i find amazing they keep finding excuses.
lord help us all from these possesed devils.

[Dave A]

Suzy - you're just being way too nice. Say no like you mean it.
Practice it in the mirror.
Imagine they are the worst wart infested toad you've ever seen and they've just made an indecent proposal.
Call them up and say no more!

And once you've done it a few times and you think you absolutely mean it, then you can call them again and tell them who it is they are not to bug anymore

Last thing - do it now!
I know it's Friday, but if you wait to Monday you'll talk yourself out of it.
Stop messing around. Stand up and get started right now! Where's the nearest mirror?

You cannot imagine how good you'll feel once it's all over and they are out of your life.

[Tim P]

REPORT YOUR EXPERIENCE TO WENDY KNOWLER

Hi guys. Wendy Knowler is the Newspaper's equivalent of "Isobel Jones" the TV consumer watchdog. She already has these guys in her sights, more emails from other people who have had bad dealings with the guys you are talking about, will give her more ammunition. Find Wendy's email address by Google search.

[Tim P]

WENDY KNOWLER - CONSUMER WATCH - EMAIL ADDRESS

Hi guys. Wendy Knowler is the Newspaper's equivalent of "Isobel Jones" the TV consumer watchdog. She already has these guys in her sights, more emails from other people who have had bad dealings with the guys you are talking about, will give her more ammunition. Find Wendy's email address by Google search.

consumerwatch@ecr.co.za

[Dave A]

By the sounds of things, the more people that can be warned about this the better.