Butch, I do not have to find 'your' truth, I moved well beyond that many years ago.

What you and your fellow christian followers should realise and recognise in your truths is that I may be Jewish or Muslim or Budhist or follow one of the many other religions in this world. I may have moved beyond orthodox religion and belong to some pagan secret mystical clan for all you know. And that is the point, you do not know and yet you assume I have obvious issues. The only issue I have is that there are folk are there who believe they have found this mystical truth and they then get this arrogant attitude that all should be saved by believing in what they have found.

I have yet to hear or see one christian who has taken the time out to ask the question of another as to what their beliefs consist of and then sit back, listen and accept that perhaps there are other scenarios that exist on this earth. We only hear their constant barrage of arrogant spurious claims that they are the only ones with the truth and knowledge of what this world is about. Not very christian like in itself. Forum posts like this one, for example, then become a pedestal for personal ravings and rantings based on very narrow and limited understandings of the universe and each other. In other words a methodology of ramming an illogical theosophy down everyones throat.

Now I realise that you have 'saved' many souls in certain circumstances and feel that you have achieved well and seen some result. This is perhaps because your victims were of a suitable lower consciousness level to accept your teachings and not question them. On the other hand there are those who have looked beyond these basic teachings and have advanced to a stage where there is no need to 'belong' to an organisation or have a need to appoint a substitute idol to take responsibility for what they do.

You of course are most welcome to practise whatever rows your boat and believe in, whatever it is that takes you through your day. But then so are others. I certainly am not going to get into a 'debate' on this issue where you believe your god is greater than mine. Further more, I am not going to do your alpha course (which I have seen by the way) in order to solve my problems or obvious issues which you assume to know I have, despite not taking the time out to know me.

If you wish to hard sell your religion to the forum members, challenge them to finding your 'truth', which I must say really is a challenge, then perhaps Dave can set up a separate thread area alongside the mlm and scamming sections where this can be done and any interested people can rant and rave there - otherwise keep to the business discussions and light hearted comments on these sort of issues to avoid your 'truths' from being exposed.