Thanks Vanash, for taking the time to share solid advice in your replies in other posts. It makes sense what you say and I was aware of some of the faults or undesirable aspects of trying to say too much and ending up sounding disjointed. To be frank this post and another took a strange turn or two and the topic was lost in the ensuing banter. Strangely enough some of the replies have content that is more applicable to the reply itself than it is to my posts.

I can be evasive when the occasion calls for it, I never realised the extent to which it is apparent to you and possibly others. Even more surprising is how so many people implicitly believe in some things that have no scientific evidence on which to base their findings on. I myself was unaware, until recently, of the nature of propaganda driven mass indoctrination and the use of these measures for political and financial gains.

You might say that to back up my opinion in regard to the previous two sentences would require multiple links. First I'd have to post a link that says that there have been no 'double blind etc., published data on vaccines for fifty years, although lately, here in Africa multiple Countries in conjunction with Super Rich Iconic people have done some preliminary research or tests or whatever the correct label is. The results were much trumpeted and celebrated even though by their own admission the results were lower than expected and in my opinion there is something 'fishy' about using a product that was shelved years ago to be resurrected and then used in Africa with African Guinea Pigs. Also fishy to me is the fact that after 50 years of proclamations of 'saving the world' aided and abetted by dubious laws and social pressure and the ever present propaganda spewing Mass Media Machine the vaccine pushing Mafia see fit to actually start doing the evaluations etc., that is a legal requirement as stipulated by the FDA. Secondly I’d have to post links concerning propaganda and its role in mass mind control, these links would in turn lead to more links when points of view were challenged.

To keep such a wide range of topics simple is no easy task. This is not a 'cut and paste' post but a spur of the moment reply. Due to a problem on two attempts to post this I did have the opportunity to edit some parts. The problem was in my mind, self induced. Don’t try to click the ‘Thank you’ button until the post has uploaded. Yes I did try it and it doesn’t work.

But seriously;
Instead of having a thread that meanders and winds (as you kindly pointed out to me) and has no potential of ending any millennium soon, I propose that we close this chapter or take it one point at a time.

I am open to suggestions in this regard. I never started this thread with the aim of 'winning' or 'losing' a concept that I feel debases the objectives of reasonable debate where serious issues are the topic. The only winners or losers I had in mind were the parents whose plight I wanted to highlight in the hope that they receive a fair hearing. My opinion remains unchanged and I'd like to thank all for their input regardless of their opinions stated or implied. The opposition this post received from some had the knock on effect of opening many, many new doors (in windows ) doors that I would not have opened had there been no response at all.

I must also admit that some of the opposition was 'tongue-in-cheek' and almost as over the top as I was, which is healthy I'd say. Thanks again for your guidance Vanesh, you helped me realise that I was defeating myself by trying too hard and was coming across as a bit too much of a "stiff upper lip", which is not really my style. I learned some interesting insights as well as the 'art' of keeping posts short and sweet. I yet have to apply this learning to my posts, as you can see.


In short if vaccines are good enough for my dogs then they also good enough for me![/QUOTE]

Lol Vanesh but still the most scientific related reply I've had! This makes me wonder if your dog has steak and eggs for dinner or if the Epol is good enough for you? Jus jokin! Take care.