Who would you vote for President at Manguang 2012?

[wynn]

Why does the cANCer even bother to have a vote if it has already been decided that Zuma would be re-elected?

Because it aint over till the fat lady sings, remember Thabo at Polokwane? he also thought it was a foregone conclusion.
A lot af ABZ supporters are singing and wearing JZ Tshirts so that they are not excluded from voting at Manguang, but wait for the vote??? stranger things have happened.

And what happens if JZ squeaks in and they decide JZ must go when the DA get their no confidence vote, only need 20% more to swing it, and that will mean the whole cabinet must resign!! wouldn't that be a nice new year present?

[Citizen X]

Due to our particular brand of democracy, ordinary citizens of SA do not get to vote for who they'd prefer to see as our President. That privilege seems reserved to the "ruling party" and their processes.

Which doesn't mean we can't hold a poll and get comments from the ordinary citizen anyway

Imagine someone describing you as a ‘violent hooligan?’ Well, The Mail and Guardian ran this story(Oh I love the way our South African media can sensationalise things!):
'Violent hooligans' interrupt ANC nominations’
http://mg.co.za/article/2012-12-01-violent-hooligans-interrupt-limpopo-anc-nominations
" The group is believed to be supporters of President Jacob Zuma."
"[The] conference was collapsed [on Friday night] by violent hooligans," provincial spokesperson
Makonde Mathivha said.


Back on topic: I would nominate Kalema Mothlanthe. I perceive him to be a liberal. Perhaps I’m reading him wrong but he comes across as someone who wants to maintain the status quo in terms of stability, peace etc. He appears to be a reasonable minded individual. He doesn’t have any skeletons in his closet!

[IanF]

I was waiting for the fall out from M&G publishing the KPMG report last Friday.
The one follow up article in M&G implies everyone just accepts that patronage is just part of our politics!

Susan Booysen, politics lecturer at the University of the Witwatersrand, said the public had become “saturated with reports on wheeling and dealin, enrichment and kept politicians”.

“That is probably the scariest thing about it all. It is so pervasive that it does not actually draw that much attention. That is a severe indictment on the state of South African politics,” she said.

Booysen said there was a “deeply entrenched patronage system” in the party, as illustrated by the concept of cadreship.

Wow we are now truly part of Africa

[Dave A]

It's the lack of significant response to the M&G revelations from all over that has me stunned at the moment.

Yes, the ANC official response is essentially "it's JZ's private business - nothing to do with us and it doesn't affect a thing from our point of view", but that was expected at this point.

Maybe everyone else is doing what I'm doing - see what happens at Mangaung. If JZ's dirty laundry doesn't get an airing at all...

??

I'm seriously struggling with the thought that the ANC top brass might think they can ignore it.

[IanF]

What will happen when JZ does fall out with the ANC? Will he be set upon like what is happening with Julius?

[Blurock]

It's the lack of significant response to the M&G revelations from all over that has me stunned at the moment.

Yes, the ANC official response is essentially "it's JZ's private business - nothing to do with us and it doesn't affect a thing from our point of view", but that was expected at this point.

Maybe everyone else is doing what I'm doing - see what happens at Mangaung. If JZ's dirty laundry doesn't get an airing at all...

??

I'm seriously struggling with the thought that the ANC top brass might think they can ignore it.

Only the cANCer has all the answers. Any opposing comments or criticism will not be tolerated and will one day be suppressed and gagged by the (Supression of) Information Bill.

[IanF]

Just heard on a radio news bulletin that DA has requested SARS does an audit to see whether JZ paid taxes on the monies received. Chances of happenning?

[Selepeks]

The Current selection of polictiacl leadership both in ANC and DA are the same. The question should be the selection and voting of goverment politocal leadership. Say the president should be done by the citizen not political party. The ANC selection leadeship guideline is one of the impresive but is not applied to the let. Google " the eye of the needle by ANC" it details who should be selected as leaders. Of the 86 ANC leadersship exclude those in Provinces does not qualify to go through the eye of the needle. Here are some of the creteria in the eye of the needle.
Some Criteria of leadership selection
Every member of the ANC has the right to vote for, and be elected into, leadership positions. Like all rights, this goes along with the obligation to understand and pursue the objectives of the ANC. Further, in order to ensure that leaders are elected for their track record in serving the people, qualifications apply in relation to leadership positions: to be on the BEC a member should have been in the ANC for at least a year; for the REC it’s 2 years; 3 years for the PEC and for the NEC it’s 5 years
There are no ready-made leaders. Leaders evolve out of battles for social transformation. In these battles, cadres will stumble and some will fall. But the abiding quality of leadership is to learn from mistakes, to appreciate one’s weaknesses and correct them
A leader should lead by example. He should be above reproach in his political and social conduct — as defined by our revolutionary morality. Through force of example, he should act as a role model to ANC members and non-members alike. Leading a life that reflects commitment to the strategic goals of the NDR includes not only being free of corrupt practices; it also means actively fighting against corruption.
An individual with qualities of leadership does not seek to gain popularity by undermining those in positions of responsibility. Where such a member has a view on how to improve things or correct mistakes, she should state those views in constitutional structures and seek to win others to her own thinking. She should assist the movement as a whole to improve its work, and not stand aside to claim perfection out of inactivity
A leader should constantly seek to improve his capacity to serve the people; he should strive to be in touch with the people all the time, listen to their views and learn from them. He should be accessible and flexible; and not arrogate to himself the status of being the source of all wisdom.
A leader should win the confidence of the people in her day-to-day work. Where the situation demands, she should be firm; and have the courage to explain and seek to convince others of the correctness of decisions taken by constitutional structures even if such decisions are unpopular. She should not seek to gain cheap popularity by avoiding difficult issues, making false promises or merely pandering to popular sentiment
Part of leadership selection Process
Selecting candidates and ultimately electing leaders is not like the “natural selection” of evolution where things develop by chance. It must be a conscious and well-considered act on the part of each ANC member. But how should this be done? What issues should you, the member, take into account when the nomination and election process unfolds
Nominations take place at constitutional structures such as branch AGM’s and regional, provincial and national conferences. Individual members nominate their candidates at these meetings on the basis of an assessment of candidates’ qualities and performance. However, declaration of support for a person, or of a willingness to stand, does not guarantee that one would be a candidate. You become a candidate after the proposal has been accepted by a branch or any other relevant constitutional structure.

[wynn]

He should be above reproach in his political and social conduct — as defined by our revolutionary morality. Through force of example, he should act as a role model to ANC members and non-members alike. Leading a life that reflects commitment to the strategic goals of the NDR includes not only being free of corrupt practices; it also means actively fighting against corruption.

So that's a 'Fail' then

[Blurock]

Only a corrupt government will choose a crook as a president.
Given the ANC's Criteria of leadership selection we can be assured that this will never happen.