NWO has SA in its sights. (part 1)

[pmbguy]

Good luck Trickzta!

[Trickzta]

Thanks pmguy, I'll need it! Dave is sharp & has an analytical mind. No spell check used. If Dave agrees to enter further discusion, I would like to move to the members only forum.

This is not a challenge by any means, though it will be challenging. We agree on certain points to a degree, and can converse without trying to score personal points irrelevant to the core of the point under discussion.

It's an open debate of course, all serious participation is more than welcome. It's on record that I love playing Devil's Advocate, which has nothing to do with the devil at all. I'm just an Outie from Gautie. At times my replies might differ from my personal opinion, but will hopefully add to the discussion at hand.

Any serious questions that HR or anyone else feels I've avoided or neglected are welcome to be pointed out or repeated and I'll gladly reply and apologise if need be.

part two has been revised due to reasons beyond my control. A point by point discussion with proper progressions and without pointless digressions would be refreshing.

part one flopped from early days, it is difficult to find a topic that is worth debating even though subject matter was vast and varied.

Time travel, reincarnation and suchlike may be of interest to some, but part two would ideally concentrate on South African affairs. The Angolan war, assassinations, psyops and the role of Media, Mining Magnates, and a host of other issues are interesting and relevant.

If conducted properly, with input from many sources from different points of view, I feel the discussion can go a long way to building understanding of what is really going on. I don't know everything and have been mistaken before. I'll never know everything and will be mistaken again, such is life.

Thank you for your time.

[HR Solutions]

reasons beyond my control

WHY ???? What happened ?? Did you visit an alian planet these last few weeks ??

I'll gladly reply and apologise if need be.

Apologies accepted ................. in advance

[pmbguy]

The term “New World Order” must be changed or be more specific/different to have any chance of thread coherence and value. A new world order means exactly that, a New world order. We have had many many new world orders. So that means you just referring to the next new world order which would exclude the current world order namely the US as top. But then a crux of your argument is that the US is creating this NWO. This is contradictory. If they wish to usher in a NWO it will mean changing the Status Quo, which they won’t do because the status quo is them on top.

If you argue that the NWO means the US is trying to incorporate (dominate) the world into one body subservient to it –NWO ...well then I would say that’s a natural, although optimistic, imperialistic ideal. The US certainly does not realistically expect to control the whole world - at least not yet. [This would be a whole different debate all together]

Let’s see if pointing the NWO on Africa will produce better results. I have serious doubts given your predispositions and the contradictions that will arise when you reference the relationship between Africa and others. Oh boy!

[HR Solutions]

I think its ... Spain..... I think they are infiltrating Potgieterus ....to start with .... then they gonna take over Warmbad...

[pmbguy]

Although Warmbad seem’s to be the obvious target and I understand your reasoning here HR, however I suspect that they will attempt to create a cluster mole heap in Brakpan first

[HR Solutions]

Although Warmbad seem’s to be the obvious target and I understand your reasoning here HR, however I suspect that they will attempt to create a cluster mole heap in Brakpan first

Ja ...... maybe .... but I think Brakpan has got a mole heap already

[pmbguy]

True

[Trickzta]

Now maybe it's apparent why I asked Dave to discuss these issues with me? In hindsight I'd say I only need Dave to set the tone for serious exchange of perceptions. It is not fair to ask for more as it is time consuming and possibly very boring. Excuse my inconsiderate request Dave, it seemed a good idea at the time.

Yes pmguy, definitions are definitely useful. As you point out, one perception, possibly the most common on this site,is that the superpower of the day is the World Order.

You speak about the USA as if Obama rules the country, which is to be expected and which is what billions believe. Money rules, greedy money rules, media plays a major role. This I believe is true. I do agree in part of what you said and sure, you are entitled to think what you want to.

An New One World Order would describe my definition of NWO and possibly the First World Order would be more correct if Third World connotations weren't applied to First World (Order).

HR, and others, please could we bury the hatchet? I can give and take banter and thrive on it. And to prove that point I'll start a thread "Let's try bash Trickzta" where anything goes. Public or Members forum, I don't mind. I'd ask HR to decide. HR, would you please?

Personally I have no problem with anyone on this forum. I would like to start a new thread, a serious thread and one in which I apply the advice that some have kindly offered in the past. pmguy is one that springs to mind. Short, sweet and not vague nor 'hazy'.

One reason I splashed so many topics was to try to ascertain which topics generated some interest. Plan B so to speak.

I no longer have the time to spend on this forum & the net that I was fortunate to have before.

Vanash I'd like to thank you for being candid and for assisting me with basic instructions on how to post etc. I needed that & am working on it. Dave's "don't drive drunk, don't post in haste" or words to that effect, used as a signature is also 'very good advice'.

Thank you all kindly.

[pmbguy]

Although I disagree with your crazy theories I still think you a genuine person.


Back to NWO related business

I don’t think anybody here has ever claimed Obama is in full control. He is powerful, but certainly cant just do what he wants. He is compromised by the political system and industry, he has to cater to them and listen to them.

[Justloadit]

I don’t think anybody here has ever claimed Obama is in full control. He is powerful, but certainly cant just do what he wants. He is compromised by the political system and industry, he has to cater to them and listen to them.

That's what democracy is, anything else is a dictatorship

[Trickzta]

Thanks Guys, I beg to differ (as usual)! Presidents in my opinion are selected not elected, a topic in itself. They don't write their own speeches, don't make important decisions and accept the 'role' knowing full well that they are just 'symbols'.

I'm referring to US Presidents specifically but this applies to some other nations too. Nixon was impeached for not toeing the line, Oblabla has committed worse crimes than Nixon ever did.

While you may believe something different, which is your right, I believe that the City of London calls the shots. A popular movement (in England) against the bombing of Syria by Western Imperialists prevented or delayed another atrocity. The tragic war on terror is a war on Leaders and countries that refuse to bow to the petro-dollar for oil racket and refuse loans from Western sources.

But thank you for sharing your views, and feel free to question or repudiate my reply.

[pmbguy]

Thanks Guys, I beg to differ (as usual)! Presidents in my opinion are selected not elected, a topic in itself. They don't write their own speeches, don't make important decisions and accept the 'role' knowing full well that they are just 'symbols'.

I'm referring to US Presidents specifically but this applies to some other nations too. Nixon was impeached for not toeing the line, Oblabla has committed worse crimes than Nixon ever did.

While you may believe something different, which is your right, I believe that the City of London calls the shots. A popular movement (in England) against the bombing of Syria by Western Imperialists prevented or delayed another atrocity. The tragic war on terror is a war on Leaders and countries that refuse to bow to the petro-dollar for oil racket and refuse loans from Western sources.

But thank you for sharing your views, and feel free to question or repudiate my reply.

I agree with allot of what you said here, but I totally disagree that England is running the show. Their decline as an empire is rather clear for all to see. Believing they are in charge means you have little understanding of history and power.

The US even went to war with England a few times to eventually take first position. Why and how on earth would the US relinquish power to a foreign state?

[HR Solutions]

Now maybe it's apparent why I asked Dave to discuss these issues with me

Dave for President ....(elected)

HR, and others, please could we bury the hatchet

Consider the hatchet buried ....... Not that there was one - just a totally difference of opinion !

I would like to start a new thread, a serious thread

Why would you do that ? Because what is serious to you might, and in this case DEFINATELY not serious to others (myself included), therefore do you honestly expect serious answers if we don't agree with you ? If you do and only want serious answers we can perhaps refrain from "answering" ............ but then this thread will only be you posting ......

[Trickzta]

Good question pmguy. There is no short answer, but I'll try to answer in as few posts as possible. The chance of being side-tracked is also a factor that could make this exercise rather messy and disjointed.
The answer to this question, should it run its course, will also reveal the real threat we face and who is behind the globalist agenda. I would need some time to present this coherently, and as I am not an expert in these matters I need to double check my info before posting.
A recent article covering the botched attempt to separate the Ukraine from Russia mentions that the USA and European countries are not sovereign nations but puppets of the Banking elite. This is not presented as proof, but rather as an indication that the possibility of an Elitist group with power and control is more than a theory.
For those that would like to read more on this I will post this link. http://www. globalresearch.can/the-ukraine-crisis-and-vladimir-putin-a-new-financial-system-free-from-wall-street-and-the-city-of-london/5374785
The treaty signed at the end of the Civil War is worded in such a way that legally the US is not as independent as it would seem. I am able to find more info or links concerning this matter if need be. But I hope I don't need to, as then this reply will become a long exercise.
Bear in mind that I am mostly trusting my memory and that mistakes often occur when memory is the source of info. pmguy could possibly testify to that being true or not.
People that believe that SA is an independent country in the true sense of the word, will never agree with the rest of the 'history' that leads to the conclusion I'm attempting to explain.
S. Africans that have been knighted include Ernest Oppenheimer, Nelson, Richard Luyt, Desmond Tutu and Thabo Mbeki. Name changes and the history of these Orders are easy to Google. However links will be supplied on request.
A short summary on this Order is presented below, it is easy to research unless you try to dig deep.
The Sovereign Military Order of Malta (SMOM) has membership in numerous international bodies and observer status at the UN. The order has diplomatic ties with 104 countries. It issues its own passports, currency, stamps and has a permanent presence in 120 countries. Easy to Google, this is taken from wikipedia.
As mentioned there is no short reply to the question posed concerning the City of London and its military machine known as the USA.
Below is a link for anyone that is interested in S. African history, to me this is a prime example of propaganda dressed up to look like 'hidden truth'. While it does reveal some 'evil' and a lot of facts, it also shifts attention from the real 'third force'. Notice I said to me? Draw your own conclusions if you do read it in part or read it all.
To me it is a clever attempt to disguise the current psyop in progress. Any guesses?

http://www.unbannedbiblepublications.com/index_files/Page37100.htm