NWO has SA in its sights. (part 1)

[Trickzta]

Good points HR. Let's hope we can get serious about some issues.

[pmbguy]

The US surpassed Britain economically in the 1870’s... Debt owed to the US after WW1 helped things along... The US passed Britain militarily during WW2... Now do you suggest that this is all misleading/false and that the US never surpassed Britain? Or are you saying that sometime after 1870 Britain regained control? If so when?

[Trickzta]

Pmguy, I'm working on a short(ish) reply. I'm not ignoring your question.
Thanks

[Dave A]

I've got a sense as to what Trickzta is referring to. And he's certainly got a point.

There's some really old money empires which are HUGE and transcend international borders in terms of their placement, but their origins and control come out of Europe and The City to this day. The Rothschild fortune is a case in point - it isn't just deployed in Europe.

The City places financial bets all around the globe.

If BIG money had borders, America's recent financial crisis wouldn't have become the GFM - it would have been a local meltdown in the USA only, and the only effect on the rest of the world would have been the drop-off in consumer demand as their economy retracted. Some effect, yes - but nothing like the global savings bloodbath it turned into.

You can't just look at GDP to determine who's got the biggest hand on the chequebook.

[pmbguy]

By providing a short general commonly accepted timeline I hoped to get some kind of timeline from Trickzta (sequence of events which makes London the boss)

Sure there are old families and sure the world is very much connected sure the lines are blurred, I don’t think anybody will argue against you there Dave. GDP is just an indicator. BUT to say that London runs the show because of Old families, Big business, globalisation etc is just plain stupid. The US is in charge and the UK is its important bitch.

[pmbguy]

Hi Tricksta

I have some humble advice if you willing to hear me out


You said somewhere “At times my replies might differ from my personal opinion, but will hopefully add to the discussion at hand” This is the core problem of this thread. That’s why there is no cohesiveness to your arguments. You are chucking in stuff that differs from your personal opinion whilst your personal opinion is debating others.

There are many conspiracy theories out there, give us yours, what do you think is going on?

Nutshell the NWO based on London running the show. You can’t be sure because its a conspiracy theory and naturally such an argument would be difficult to define, but still describe it as you think it is. Centre your argument and provide the best evidence, leave anything that’s too fluffy out for now.

[Marq]

BUT to say that London runs the show because of Old families, Big business, globalisation etc is just plain stupid. The US is in charge and the UK is its important bitch.

I put it to you you that this is what they would like you to believe and you have bought their propaganda.
Why would they do that....could be to take the lights off the real programme.
Not that stupid, when you start looking at individuals and the years they have been at it.
Also remember London is run by Europeans and the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha family.

[pmbguy]

Powerful families and big business is above and connected to big governments and are global. They exist before and after governments. Governments have to cater to them and they to government. People also move from politics to big business and visa versa, its one big melting pot.

Despite this, there is still enough of a divide between the American industrialists (American growth) and European to separate the two, even with the blurring of lines and allegiances. Although powerful European families were and are involved in the decisions of the US they certainly do not wield more power than the American industrialists in the US government. Saying that the US government is subservient to European industrialists is a gross underestimation of American industrial families/business power.

If London controlled Washington then why were the Americans isolationist in the beginning of ww2?

[Marq]

If London controlled Washington then why were the Americans isolationist in the beginning of ww2?

Division of duties.
Just because one party did not join in doesn't mean it wasn't controlled by somewhere else.
Maybe the English side saw an easy early victory.
The 'excuse' to join war was led by the Japanese - why did the americans not just keep to the pacific war. They immediately got involved in the European side as well. Strange move when you did not want to war in the first place. If I was in charge of this NWO and knew I had the main power, I would have let the English side sink a bit more first before climbing in to help out.

[pmbguy]

Division of duties.
Just because one party did not join in doesn't mean it wasn't controlled by somewhere else.
Maybe the English side saw an easy early victory.
The 'excuse' to join war was led by the Japanese - why did the americans not just keep to the pacific war. They immediately got involved in the European side as well. Strange move when you did not want to war in the first place. If I was in charge of this NWO and knew I had the main power, I would have let the English side sink a bit more first before climbing in to help out.

If you are right and the English saw an easy victory, therefore not needing their American colony then why did Churchill not get this colony to come fight after Dun Kirk???

Roosevelt, who actually wanted war a bit sooner (worried about losing great Britton altogether, instead of just having it weakened) was opposed by popular isolationism, and he played political fiddle and pretended he wants to stay out, obviously pearl harbour changed all that.

The US and Japan were leading towards conflict long before ww2 over the pacific expansion of the Empire of Japan. Japan was allied to Germany. After pearl harbour the US had to join the World war, not just against Japan but on the side of the allies against the Axis. They were fighting a coalition and that means you fight to win the war, not necessarily against the country that attacked you, but the coalition itself (I use the term coalition loosely here). The “Europe first (Germany First)” policy therefore makes practical sense because most forces are concentrated against one enemy at a time. Japan was already over stretched in the Pacific, maintaining its huge empire. The US fought a holding action against Japan until Germany was defeated.

[pmbguy]

I would have let the English side sink a bit more first before climbing in to help out.

Perhaps, but they sank enough. Dept to the US and the loss of their colonies, at the same time the US becoming the number one military power etc etc. I think the US played it just right to pass them for good and still have a strong ally.

[Trickzta]

Thanks guys, thanks Dave. Pmguy I've spent some time with the timeline of the 'elite' agenda, and as it is relevant to the main theme of this thread i will hopefully still post it, as soon as I'm satisfied with the final draft. I do appreciate your advice, and will still reply to posts in the meantime.

As my reply covers much of what has been expressed here, I'll refrain from commenting too much.

Extra news for now is that the 'Land reform bill' was signed into law by Zuma late last week. Expect new land claims galore. This was a political master stroke to counter the Media, and to regain undecided votes which may have gone to Malema's EFF.

Expect more closures of platinum mines in Rustenburg area. This is the prime reason for the strikes. The political agenda, is in my opinion, a secondary reason. (the emergence of a new union, the re-emergence of Malema, the murder of peaceful strikers, peaceful at the time of the massacre anyway). There is talk of another two shafts or mines closing in the near future, depending on the continuation of this present strike.

The missing Malaysian plane had three passengers aboard that were involved in a new semi-conductor project, worth billions of dollars. The Rothschilds are now sole owners of this patent. Luck? There is a safety feature on the plane that allows for remote disabling of the cabin controls and for remote controlling of the plane to foil hijackers or if the pilots are unable to fly the plane. The controls on board the plane are able to be operated in three different ways. If lightning damages the electronics, there is an hydraulic backup and then depending on the control there is yet another backup system. Something stinks.

P.S. Money rules Britannica, Britannica rules the waves, America supplies the muscle. America, France and Britain are ruled by the Banking Elite of the 'City of London' and are used to "Fight for Peace" and wage war on "terror", wage war on "drugs" and to engineer 'Regime change" to suit the Elite. The elite in America and elsewhere are all members of elite clubs, the Head of the Elite is based in the Banking section of London, known as 'The City of London'. This is the gist of things today.

This is my opinion but it is the opinion of others as well. It is not something I thought of first, it was thought of hundreds of years before I was born. But more on this later.

[Dave A]

The missing Malaysian plane had three passengers aboard that were involved in a new semi-conductor project, worth billions of dollars. The Rothschilds are now sole owners of this patent. Luck? There is a safety feature on the plane that allows for remote disabling of the cabin controls and for remote controlling of the plane to foil hijackers or if the pilots are unable to fly the plane. The controls on board the plane are able to be operated in three different ways. If lightning damages the electronics, there is an hydraulic backup and then depending on the control there is yet another backup system. Something stinks.

And the Rothschilds need to resort to this level of alleged skulduggery why?
Same applies to the closure of mine shafts - why?
Bear in mind the Rothschilds (and those of similar ilk) stock in trade is bonds, not shares.

While I agree that there are some fabulously influential people who do very well at staying under the radar, where I think we differ rather significantly is on the issue of intent.

These folk, quite simply, don't need to conspire. They don't even need to speculate much. All they need to remain fabulously wealthy for generations to come is maintenance of the status quo.

[Trickzta]

Good question Dave, as I see it, the reason for the proposed closure of those mines is more than likely financial. They're deep and expensive and labour intensive. The 'new way' to diddle the noble metals from a 'Democratic ex-colony' is far more profitable.
Now I'm no expert in geology but from what I gather there is a massive plate covering vast areas of our country. Some layer containing rich deposits of noble metals in a preserved kind of way. Please correct me if I'm wrong or mistaken.
The ore is mined using a tenth of the labour force used in a typical mine. The plate is not very deep, memory fails me. The smelter problem they had is solved and mining operations are expanding.
A much better proposition from an investor's point of view. But closing mines on tribal land means going back on your word, breaking promises and causing more poverty in a resource rich country. Today a major player announced the probability of two shafts closing due to the ongoing strike. 75,000 were paid off last year, for accurate details listen to the 702 podcast of 31 March, to Bruce Whitfield's 'Money Show'.
The patent theory isn't that easy to (try) explain, I don't know enough about the product or its worth to be specific about the motive at this stage. Bonds or stocks or gold bars are intertwined at the end of the day. Again I'm no expert in high finance but from what I gather, stocks or bonds can cause somebody to loose a fortune and inherit a debt. The opposite is also true, fortunes are made.
The Elite never get their hands dirty, but many minions without scruples would stop at nothing, and it is possible that there are multiple reasons for any one action carried out by such minions. I'll find the link that explains the remote control mode and Rolls Royce's policy of monitoring their jet engines in flight.
The Elite don't want the status quo, they want it all. Hunger and poverty in a land so blessed with riches is indicative of the greediness linked to wealth. Once a wealthy person gets involved with elite clubs and such, they are obliged to conform or get sucked in and once in there is no way out.
The club brings wealth in abundance through contracts etc, then one day you're called on to repay the club, even if it means you need to betray your King or country.
But that's just how I see it. Others see it differently.

[HR Solutions]

The missing Malaysian plane had three passengers aboard that were involved in a new semi-conductor project, worth billions of dollars

Just as a matter of interest where did you read about the passenger list ?