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I'm with Kevin on this one! Our role models, those we look up to, admire and aspire to be, should be beyond reproach. I was a Hansie fan, but after what he did, I could never see him in the same light...
With respect, you seem to missing the whole point. So I will give a VERY SIMPLE example.
I win the British Open. It is announced and I get the Claret Jug. On your approach, as long as that it the "official position", that is the end of the matter.
Problem - -the Whole World has see that my ball moved after I had addressed it before two shots into the 17th and 18th greens. They have seen and now know that-
1. I did not call penalty strokes on myself;
2. I then signed for a wrong score;
3. a correct score would have put me one shot behind you;
4. you would have been the winner, instead of me.
The fact that I have been declared the winner AND that everyone else accepts this, because it is "official" DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT I CHEATED.
All those who are prepared to just overlook this are either fickle or cowardly -- sheep. That is my point.
I do get your point Chris, my post was not in response to your topic but rather in response to adrianh's claim that there is no such thing as the truth.
And talking about cheating ................... Lance Armstrong is as guilty as hell - he is so shit scared that the real truth will emerge so he supposedly decides to "fight the charges no longer" . As far as I am concerned they should expose everything. They have positive proof from his ex team mates that he trafficked drugs and used blood drugs. And this is not only from one team - it is from various different team members he raced with over that period of time. The proof also shows that they used drugs ...... so come clean Armstrong and admit you cheated the world !!
I read a thing on CNN last night about para-olympians who break their toes and crush their own nuts to raise their blood pressure (it's called boosting) According to the article its common knowledge that they do it....
In our quest for perfection in sport the ultimate weakness was created. Fact is winning and satisfying the sponsors became more important than anything else. How many people have died in sports? People push themselves so hard that they actually die! And yet we complain about cheating…
In my opinion sport is just another business that I would not support. Because this business push people beyond human limitations thus the need for steroids, bending of the rules and so on. If you lose you lose your livelihood that is a massive price to pay for being second best?
No if you want to complain about cheating then look at the sport… Study the history, rules and the behaviour of both the athletes and their respective sponsors and you will see a history of devastation and dead dreams. Doing your very best just isn't good enough anymore and now we have people with enlarged and or failing organs suffering painful medical conditions…
The fact is we can't afford to be "second best anymore" it is all or nothing, do or die and it is this fanatical drive that is killing fair competition.
I say again "everything has a cause" and everything "has an effect" What we are seeing here is an effect so what was the cause?
peace is a state of mind Disclaimer: everything written by me can be considered as fictional.
That is the social contract that we have as humans, that we must cheat, we must hack the laws, to be faster, stronger. You see a beautiful women in a club, she is cheating, wearing make up is a form of cheating. This happens in business too, every computer comes with windows $160 dollar OS, when linux is available free, that is cheating. The largest problem here is not that Cameron Cheated the problem was that he admited to it, he may be fast, but he was not too bright here, always deny. IT WAS NOT ME! It mearly looked like I took a few extra kicks because I was going so fast. We have to agree that it is a social contract, but we must never acknowledge a cheat, we as humans want to believe in castles in the sky that doing well is the super human thing, never a cheating thing.
@tec0 - Each person is responsible for the choices they make, not the sponsors, not the government and not even God.
In my life everything does have a cause: $h1t happens or I cause it to happen - it seems that in other lives $h1t just happens and some or other outside force is always to blame.
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The largest problem here is not that Cameron Cheated the problem was that he admited to it.
Stunning...
You know, I had to take my hat off to my 13 year old daughter this morning on the way to school. I asked her "What color is a chameleon in a mirror?" and she came right back without hesitation and said "Whatever color it is at the time"....
@tec0 - Each person is responsible for the choices they make, not the sponsors, not the government and not even God.
In my life everything does have a cause: $h1t happens or I cause it to happen - it seems that in other lives $h1t just happens and some or other outside force is always to blame.
Nah you don’t get it yet… Let's try again adrianh
peace is a state of mind Disclaimer: everything written by me can be considered as fictional.
If we don't agree with the other guy's view its ok, we don't have to labour the point. When a dead horse is dead it is dead. If you can not revive it, let it be.
If getting it means having an invisible friend to blame for all my woes, then yes, I suppose I'll never get it...
No it doesn’t have to be an invisible friend or stuff like that… In all walks of life you get to make choices and the effect they will have will be your doing. That said sometimes you do something because you are pushed and not because you wanted too.
Fact is in almost every sport you get someone that pushes the athlete too far? I am not looking to play the blame game rather I am trying to understand the dynamics that caused rash action. Now yes obviously an athlete can to something wrong because they want to do it but sometimes it may not be the case.
That is why it is so important to study the history of an event. For example I am qualified to do incident/accident investigations. Now when something happens we can easily assume the person involved is in the wrong and that is the end of it??
However time after time case after case I found that people where pushed into a bad situation. Yes you do get someone that tried to "bend the rules" from time to time but for the most part there is always someone that tried to push too hard. "for production and or to proof a point and the list just goes on and on actually"
That is why it is important to study past events, look where the problems started and find out why the problems persisted and then only can you work towards finding an answer. Yes it is a long and boring process but for the most part worth doing right.
Originally posted by Blurock
Round and round the mulberry bush...
If we don't agree with the other guy's view its ok, we don't have to labour the point. When a dead horse is dead it is dead. If you can not revive it, let it be.
I agree but it was fun…
peace is a state of mind Disclaimer: everything written by me can be considered as fictional.
No it doesn’t have to be an invisible friend or stuff like that… In all walks of life you get to make choices and the effect they will have will be your doing. That said sometimes you do something because you are pushed and not because you wanted too.
Fact is in almost every sport you get someone that pushes the athlete too far? I am not looking to play the blame game rather I am trying to understand the dynamics that caused rash action. Now yes obviously an athlete can to something wrong because they want to do it but sometimes it may not be the case.
That is why it is so important to study the history of an event. For example I am qualified to do incident/accident investigations. Now when something happens we can easily assume the person involved is in the wrong and that is the end of it??
However time after time case after case I found that people where pushed into a bad situation. Yes you do get someone that tried to "bend the rules" from time to time but for the most part there is always someone that tried to push too hard. "for production and or to proof a point and the list just goes on and on actually"
That is why it is important to study past events, look where the problems started and find out why the problems persisted and then only can you work towards finding an answer. Yes it is a long and boring process but for the most part worth doing right.
I agree but it was fun…
Marley put it this way 'for every little action there is a reaction,'
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