home security

**murdock** · 26-Feb-12, 09:44 PM

had the pleasure of seeing our elite SAPS in operation...apparently there was a house breaking in progress...they arrived at the site where i was working in their numbers...armed with 9mm and what looked like R5...stage 1 and ready for action...only problem they entered the wrong property...it turns out it was just a domestic violence incident...some chick throwing her toys at everyone...was good to see they do still respond when crimes take place.

i learnt something from the ordeal...just act like you are busy doing something and nobody bothers you...they just run past

**Just Gone** · 27-Feb-12, 07:56 AM

Ok seen as I am in the security industry I have decidedto give my input/opinion.

how effective are armed response companies? - They are effective up to a point, we would be worse off without them, so they do serve their purpose.

do they really offer you a solutions to the ever increasing crime? Not a solution no, but they help to stem the tide. You have to continuously keep ahead of them with up to date technology.

is 20 minutes a suitable response time? No – it should be around 5-10 min if they have a car in the area, which they should do.

do you believe that armed response companies could be more effective or do youyou think they just offer enough to make you think you getting a good deal?considering...no crime...no need for armed response. – They should concentrate more on customer service than trying to get their numbers up with the goal of selling their company and clients to a big armed response company.

do you believe receiving an sms notifying you on crimes in the area areeffective? Yes it makes you aware

do you believe neighbourhood watch works? – Yes, but like all community based activities, it becomes increasingly difficult to get the neighbourhood to keep the interest up.

do you actively get involved in neighbourhood watch...or do you leave it up toeveryone else to make your community a safer place? Yes I am involved and I believe everyone should get involved and not always think that it is someone else’s job to sort problems out and do things in the community.

what would you regard as effective measures to be taken...to make you home asafer place to live... – install electric fencing ..... properly. This is the most important aspect of home security. If it is installed correctly then you are on your way to being more secure. I have not had an house broken into in the last 7/8 years where I have installed electric fencing.

be it for you and your family to enjoy time out at home... – make you home secure with electric fencing

entering and leaving your premises...- make sure you have an automated gate, so that you do not need to get out of the car when leaving or coming home.

or just general safety... – as above

do you think we even have a crime problem in this country? – yes we do but i do believe we are getting it under control. Please also believe that SA is not the only country that has crime. I have just been to Europe and crime is also rife there.

do you believe the topic is just a waste of time and when people inconversation bring it up... do you switch off and walk away becuase it doesnt affect you...and until it does...couldnt be bothered with it..because you livein fort knox and feel safe or believe it will never happen to you... – No you must take an interest.

or have been affected by it but just keep putting up more beams...higherfences...cameras...and bigger dogs? I have been affected by it, but you cannot let it get you down. You have to take the neccessary precautions and be aware when at home – keep your security gates locked – be aware who is in the road when leaving your house – be aware when driving and stopping at robots and stop streets.

**Just Gone** · 27-Feb-12, 07:58 AM

Sorry it seems some of my spelling is not up to scratch above and words are joined - I copy pasted it from word so obviously something didnt like something.

**Dave A** · 27-Feb-12, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by Kevinb

so obviously something didnt like something.

I regret it's the CK editor - it can be a little... odd at times.

**Citizen X** · 27-Feb-12, 05:56 PM

Okay, those security guards that walk around with a baton are just a waste of time! Certain legislation needs to be amended to allow security companies to have armoured and bullet proof windows, currently the law says it a threat to national security for any vehicle to be armoured and have bullet proof windows. The criminals we deal with are heavily armed, our security also need to be heavily armed. Pistols don't deter a heavily armed gang of 10 characters!

**IanF** · 27-Feb-12, 07:06 PM

Vanash,
You should go to The Glen, yesterday at the parking entrance there was a guard with rifle! That is scary!

**Citizen X** · 27-Feb-12, 08:39 PM

Ian, it's just that we living in fear and under siege here in Lenasia, just last week there was an armed robbery in my neighbour's street. Both our malls, Trade Route Mall and Signet terrace had violent armed robberies. People i.e shopkeepers got shot and killed in the cross fire. Last year while I was at gym, several heavily armed men tried to not only rob a house but also hijacted all these people's cars. Armed response came promptly and a shootout ensued. The owner of that security company was shot dead whilst still in his vehicle. I think that if he had an armoured vehicle and his security personnel were heavily armed they could have taken on these criminals. The police arrived after the fact and recovered several R1 rifles. Our problem here in Lenasia is when one enters or exists your gate. Criminals see this as an easy target. The Government should mobilize the army and give them arresting power just until crime is finally under control. This is not the new South Africa I dreamed and longed for!

**AndyD** · 27-Feb-12, 09:52 PM

A large sector of the population has nothing to lose. If you have no job, no means to support your family and hardly qualify for enough social benefits to feed yourself then stealing from someone who lives in a big house and owns several cars will seem like a viable option.

Security is just a frame of mind and not much more. If you're in the wrong place on the day when someone with nothing to lose decides he's going to do whatever it takes then all the security in the world isn't going to help.

We need security guards with guns....I think not. These are the same security guards who take home R2500.00 per month after the agency has taken a slice. They're also the same security guards that will use those guns on you one evening when they decide to supliment their income with a spot of burglary in the homes or business premises they're already extremely familiar with.

Originally posted by Vanash Naick

The Government should mobilize the army and give them arresting power just until crime is finally under control.

The army won't help. I've lived in countries where the army operates in a law enforcement capacity and believe me it's not a way you want to live.

Originally posted by Vanash Naick

This is not the new South Africa I dreamed and longed for!

Capitalism is the new apartheid. Coupled with an economic recession the crime problem is only going to get worse.

**murdock** · 27-Feb-12, 10:26 PM

what blows my mind is that it is as of today it is unsafe to drop my kid at school...we have had the first hijacking in six years at the school...easy targets...i believe they will be back...i am so tired of everyone saying just give them what they want...but what can you do be a dead hero...you can arm yourself and try defend yourself but when they holding a gun to your kids head in the back seat...you are a sitting duck...at their mercy.

**AndyD** · 28-Feb-12, 01:27 AM

Look on the bright side, at least it's just the car they're after and kidnapping kids for ransom hasn't caught on as a national sport yet.

**Just Gone** · 28-Feb-12, 07:59 AM

I would rather live in South Africa than any other country in the world. The grass is not greener on the other side ! And as I have said before crime is rife in any country in different forms as well, so we need to learn to live with it and help to minimize the crime. I have travelled a few times into Africa and Europe and everytime I land back in SA I am so happy to be home. By travelling you also learn to appreciate your country in more ways than one.

How can you complain about the crime in one sentance, but then run down every possible solution that people have given to try to help solve the crime ? Yes arming some security guards WILL help some situations as long as they are trained properly - obviously you are not going to give a weapon to an untrained guard that earns R2500 per month. Getting the army in, in certain situations is going to help - I dont think the person that suggested it was talking about running the country with the army ! So yes it might help to have some army personnel at high risk banks or hot spots - it would certainly give them something more to do than hang around their bases all day long. Security is not just a "frame of mind" - it is a fact and in this country a neccessity. Please do not tell me that an electric fence around a farm or a house is a frame of mind - it keeps them out if installed properly !

Being in the security industry for quite a while now and talking to other installers and suppliers you get a feel of ups and downs and at the mo it def feels that it is down - security businesses are quite all over - fellow installers are generally quite - so perhaps we are going to a downward trend.

**IanF** · 28-Feb-12, 08:47 AM

Vanash
Lenasia sounds like the Wild West. Whenever I have been to Lenasia it has seemed quite peaceful, but I went on Sunday mornings.

**tec0** · 28-Feb-12, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by Vanash Naick

The criminals we deal with are heavily armed, our security also need to be heavily armed. Pistols don't deter a heavily armed gang of 10 characters!

So true...

Well as a neighbourhood watch we get fluffy tasers that is extremely close range… We get paintball guns "A child's toy!!!" with paper balls to shoot at a attacker with a AK47 and stolen body armour. We get two-way radios so that we can scream for help. The criminals have a network of gangsters sending each other SMS telling them where you are, who is with you where you are going what road you are taking and if one stopped at the ATM or not.

The person sitting Innocently at each corner selling fruit and stuff have a clear view of who is going ware and it is known that those people will "sometimes" work with the gangs to log our movements.

I am sorry to say but security is a fallacy...

**Just Gone** · 28-Feb-12, 12:55 PM

If security was a "fallacy" then why do you do the neighbourhood watch ? Why do you buy fluffy tazers ? Why do you have two way radios ? Why do you then have the paintball guns ??

Is it that you perhaps have bought all the above, formed a neighbourhood watch and then have been able to minimize the crime situation ? And if you dont think so why dont you stop rather then and see what happens ? You are providing a deterrent in the form of people and numbers, which is an effective secruity in its own right - therefore security is not neccessary a "fallacy" !

Other people secure their premises with more sophisticated equipment which works for them. I have recently secured a company that was broken into every week - since we have done our thing they have not had a problem!

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