humans the virus?

[Dave A]

because if something happens to 1 or both of your children then I feel you have the right to sue the hell out of your government because your genetic heritage died with them!

That's part of the lottery of life, I'm afraid.

Anyone who's had the snip will know the drill - if you lose a child, would you want to have another one?
Truth is you can't replace the child you lost.

I know it sounds controversial to talk of population control. But seriously - isn't quality more important than quantity when we are talking about trying to assure quality of life for future generations?

[wynn]

Once you have fathered or born two children it should be law that you present yourself for the snip.

[garthu]

That's part of the lottery of life, I'm afraid.

Anyone who's had the snip will know the drill - if you lose a child, would you want to have another one?
Truth is you can't replace the child you lost.

I know it sounds controversial to talk of population control. But seriously - isn't quality more important than quantity when we are talking about trying to assure quality of life for future generations?

I thinks that the right answer i was hesitating to look for. It is a gamble but having a way out would possibly defeat the object of negative growth. Negative growth would ultimately lead to some names disappearing, kinda in the maths and inevitable. Lets face it we dont even have parents to go around for children at the moment!!

Snip and cut, i agree! Everyone has there chance and now allow others.

It does kinda look like nature is having it's say as well at the moment tec0 like you suggest with all the earth quakes, floods etc. Also food for thought. I always believed that HIV was actually natures way of trying to turn things around, conspiracy theories all aside!

[tec0]

I don’t think the question is; do we value life? Rather; is life valued? The answer is no... Life has no value. You are what you have in the bank. I thought the movie 2012 showed that brilliantly, when the world was about to “end” only the supper powerful and the supper rich made it. The rest got a once in a lifetime light show of spewing fire.

Is it not true that some are more equal than others? So in short you will end up with incest and as the English nobility discovered that is never a good thing. Who will have the right to have children and why?

I agree however that a high standard of living requires a lot of resources. But in the end your gene-pool is perhaps the most valuable asset because genetic defects are “less lightly” and thus healthy.

In the end the truth is, it will take new technologies to store genetic material, to control fertility on a massif scale of about 8 billion+ people... See you are talking about castrating almost every living being. Or perhaps reversible castration would be more acceptable.

But for this to become acceptable there will be a need for an infallible system because if it fails then humanity face extinction.

[murdock]

i got remarried to a women a whole lot younger than i am and she wanted babies...i have already got a couple from the previous marriage...so its a good thing i didnt get the snip however as you all know i am now a donkey instead of a stallion and thats how i feel...just an update...i wouldnt recomend you have it if you havent had it done...i am going blind...my reaction time has slowed down and my lust for more has deteriated...i dont even get happy when i see a tidy peice of stock walking down the road with a short mini...it could just be the old age catching up...but i somehow dont think so...i know old bullets who still have got what it takes in their old age and they havent been snipped...this is just my personal opinion...rather get the wife to have it done as soon as the last kid pops...the doc does it quick while they are on the table.

[Dave A]

I'm not entirely sure snipping would be needed, at least not everywhere. Awareness programs could go a long way. In parts of the world TV, a good education and a sense of responsibility doesn't do too badly either.

I only raise snips and the like because it sheds light on the "what if I lose a child" issue.

[adrianh]

The government should not pay child support grants. I had a gardener who has 11 children. His view is that he needs the children to get the grants. I believe that the number of children in a family is generally inversely proportional to the level of education in that family. More education = less kids (generally)

It is not about snipping, it is about taking responsibility for the wellbeing of your offspring. Ensuring that they have the best possible future. It goes back to the level of education of the parent. Education in this sense refers to schooling, values, morals etc.

I will open a huge can of worms and blame religion / spiritual belief systems for many of the social ills. Statements like "God will provide", "He didn't die because he was a stupid twit who walked across a highway, no, it was his time to go", "Doesn't matter what you did, just ask for foregiveness and it will all be ok", "The devil made me do it", "The bible says....", "We don't condone contraception"... We are taught from a very young age to abdicate responsibility for our choices.

I noticed another interesting thing during a conversation with friends over dinner. We were talking about a particular girl that did certain things and it was said that it was due to the bad influence of her friends. Interesting how all kids are badly influenced by their friends, but are never the influencers themselves. - We shift the blame, "The reason my kid got trashed last night was because of the influence of his friends - not because he is a little sh_t who should be in a reform school"...

[tec0]

Well if you convince the world that there is no god then more people will value life because they will know that there is only one shot at everything and this is it! Imagine how the world will change overnight.

I personally always thought that we only need three things to guide us; our morality, laws and fear of death. I think it will have a profound effect on humanity. Think about it what is even more scary then hell, none existence an infinite nothingness with no escape closure or happiness. That is really scary.

Yes playing the blame game is as natural as breathing; we do it all the time.

Still if you call humanity a virus, cancer or parasite then basically we still have function a corrupt function but a function none the less.

In my personal opinion life is about life, I say this because life is like light as long as there is light darkness cannot exist. The same is true with life, without it there is nothing. Then all the stars, planets and everything else accounts for nothing because there is nothing to experience it.

Are we over populated, yes we are with a rape happening every 60 seconds in South Africa it is true that life found cruel ways to continue. So if not willingly then forcefully, that is the way of nature.

All the education in the world cannot bestow self-control. If we had a proper self-control mechanism in the brain then laws would have been pointless. So for this reason we need laws, we need technological devices to assist population control.

So in the end we need to say yes to a system that has the potential to wipe the human race out of existence. We need our laws to govern us because people lack self-control. We need morality because it helps us to exist peacefully. And we need an honest fear for death so that we can respect and honour life.

Religion is there for those who need it, I do criticize it, but I will not stand in anybody’s way for choosing to follow a Religion. I also do hope that there is more to life and death...

[Justloadit]

Well if you convince the world that there is no god then more people will value life because they will know that there is only one shot at everything and this is it! Imagine how the world will change overnight.

The statement I am making here is not to debate religious beliefs.

Swinging the pendulum, because there is no after life, then I have no morals about murder to get my achievements, just make sure I don't get caught, since I must do everything in my lifetime.

Religion in this facet does instill self control.

[tec0]

Well that is where you missed out on the morality bit. If you are so keen to kill then you will kill regardless of religion because the finality is the same aka “prison and death” Having justification saying that I want it all and I don’t care how I get it, is not a justification it shows the fact that you have no “self-control” regardless of religion and or laws.

It is for this reasons “lack of self-control, no morality and no respect for life” that we are deemed as a virus, cancer or parasite. So in that respect alone life already lost meaning because it is not about preserving life anymore, it is about what you get and what you can get.

In order for humanity to change, we need to conclude that systems are necessary to control population, to monitor us and to allow us to live an average life. But if you think the supper rich will be happy with “an average life” you are seriously mistaken. See we believe it is necessary to have lower middle and upper classes so that “a balance” can be uphold. That is BS...

The only reason an afterlife is so important to us, is because we are programmed to value it. It allows for servitude, self-sacrifice and obedience. It is designed that way.

I honestly cannot say there is no afterlife but I can say this, if gods cannot value life or the meaning of life and value the wellbeing of their creations then they cannot be gods. Or perhaps they just like collecting broken toys. But as you say this is not a religious debate.

I still think humanity must start over, forget history and just use our technological advancement to secure a sustainable future.

[Justloadit]

The statement I am making here is not to debate religious beliefs.

Swinging the pendulum, because there is no after life, then I have no morals about murder to get my achievements, just make sure I don't get caught, since I must do everything in my lifetime.

Religion in this facet does instill self control.

Please note that the 'I' in this post is meant to be a third person, and is not my views.

[tec0]

The statement I am making here is not to debate religious beliefs.

Please note that the 'I' in this post is meant to be a third person, and is not my views.

your sentence is first person singular.

Unless there is some rule in “higher learning” that I am not aware off in which case I am really sorry.

However in my opinion I do consider your post to be a valid point.

[Justloadit]

your sentence is first person singular.

Unless there is some rule in “higher learning” that I am not aware off in which case I am really sorry.

Do forgive me for my grammar, languages was not my strongest subject at school, and was my second language to my home language. This is not an excuse to not improve though

[tec0]

Do forgive me for my grammar, languages was not my strongest subject at school, and was my second language to my home language. This is not an excuse to not improve though

Not to worry I am dyslexic and sometimes use the wrong words because for some reason beyond my control I couldn’t recognise the right word. Also this is my second language, and the mistakes I sometimes make is beyond belief!