Energy Crisis and Daylight saving time!

[Dave S]

I take offence to your defence of your feeling offended by my defensive argument against those who feel offended by my poster which defends the right to offend!

And on the right! The defenders of the offended, and on the left! The offenders of the defended... Sounds kinda like a political statement?

[adrianh]

And on the right! The defenders of the offended, and on the left! The offenders of the defended... Sounds kinda like a political statement?

For sure!

[IanF]

This is worrying Adrian understands politics and he wants to make money quickly!

[tec0]

One of the reasons for daylight saving is EXACTLY what it says - Daylight saving ! - That means you have more productive hours in a day with daylight - that means less load on the power plants.

Consider a steel plant. Now it uses massive amounts of energy right or wrong? Now does it not stand to reason that the power that is consumed during that time will be consumed regardless of time? Partly because you need X amount of power and gasses and other stuff to melt steel because steel needs what it needs to melt.

I am listening and YES office workers will benefit from an extra hour. But the office is not a massive power consumer. Our fabricators need POWER to fabricate and lots of it. Also consider that most of them use more power then a small city at any given time. Why because fabricators for the most part runs 24/7.

We need two to four nuclear reactors so that we can grow... Otherwise this country cannot create new jobs or even maintain what we have now.

[adrianh]

tec0- What happens in winter when everybody get home after work and turn their heaters, kettles, geysers and stoves on simultaneously?

You need to keep minimum continuous demand vs. peak demand in mind. Daylight saving in one country that is supplied by one entity that does not supply another country makes no difference but if the supplier supplies multiple countries that have different daylight saving hours then the peak demand on the supplier will be lower but last longer.

[tec0]

tec0- What happens in winter when everybody get home after work and turn their heaters, kettles, geysers and stoves on simultaneously?

You need to keep minimum continuous demand vs. peak demand in mind. Daylight saving in one country that is supplied by one entity that does not supply another country makes no difference but if the supplier supplies multiple countries that have different daylight saving hours then the peak demand on the supplier will be lower but last longer.

Again peak time power is a lot I get it... But it’s not the main problem. The main problem is South Africa is based on mining, fabrication and export. Example will peak time power be a problem IF we had an extra few thousand Megawatts of electricity? Will it even matter?

You know I am right on this one. We need power not just any power Nuclear power. Why Nuclear power because coal burning is not sustainable anymore. That's the truth you can think I am a fool for thinking this but proof me wrong. All daylight savings will do is shift the peak time power that's about it. Regardless of what time you get home and turn your stuff on. You will get home and turn your stuff on.

[Justloadit]

Daylight saving to me means that I would be able to spend one more daylight hour with my family, and let me tell you I love the sun, and outdoors. As far as energy saving - there will be none, no hang on it will go up because I will be drinking cold beer out my fridge and would be replacing it with warm beer

[tec0]

Daylight saving to me means that I would be able to spend one more daylight hour with my family, and let me tell you I love the sun, and outdoors. As far as energy saving - there will be none, no hang on it will go up because I will be drinking cold beer out my fridge and would be replacing it with warm beer

Yea I think you just about nailed it

[HR Solutions]

Sure tec you are right ................ whatever you say.

[tec0]

Sure tec you are right ................ whatever you say.

So according to what can you base that factories, refineries and heavy industry will benefit from this system? How will it affect their shifts? And how will it save energy? How will this system decrease their demand for energy when it comes to fabrication?

I will admit that there are some benefit to normal office hours and office power demands and I did state it before. But not everyone is a office worker. The reality is South Africa is mainly based on heavy industry.

See HR you always want to add the last insult and I am yet to see any argument that would add any type of credibility? So can you make any contribution whatsoever other than being rude?

[adrianh]

tec0 - Can you make any contribution whatsoever other than whining!

[tec0]

tec0 - Can you make any contribution whatsoever other than whining!

Well unfortunately your friend rendered all facilities of the forum useless as he said he will not read quotations, view videos and or links. So I made my argument as best as I could whit the rules he made. If you want more I would add more but as it is now there is no purpose.

Tell you what we have a chat-room. I recommend use it and see if we cannot come to some sort of arrangement. or I will make a seen and will react in a most unpleasing manner when I see such condescending posts.

I am willing to give it a go but choice is yours make it.

I give it 1 hour...

After that I will not bother trying to reconcile.

[adrianh]

Are you 10 years old, do you go and fight in the park... grow up.

[tec0]

Are you 10 years old, do you go and fight in the park... grow up.

Who is behaving like a 10 year old? Me? Or a gang of 3 adults pi$$ing on everything I post?

We could have worked this thing out you and I. I hoped that we could because I am so very tired of having to defend my every post and your constant condescending tone. BUT you decided not to communicate, not to try and work this out not to stop this thing here today.

Whatever happens, happens...

Game on

[adrianh]

It is called debate, you make a spatment, somebody makes a counter statement and that is how conversations flow. We don't have to agree with anything you say and you do not have to get involved in a debate, it is what we call freedom of choice We choose to debate with you because we do not agree with a lot of your views, that is our right, yiu arenfree to challenge our views and that is your right too. I like to debate and I like to challenge ideas and I like to have my ideas challenged, that is the only way to learn. If you think for one moment that your statements are going to go unchallenged then you are mistaken, I will challenge all ideas that I disagree with, no matter whose ideas they are.

Yu need to learn to seperate your person from your debate. You need to learn to take a stance on a subject purely for the sake of debate without having your person view as part of the stance. You should then debate that view without feeling personally offronted by the views of others. That is exactly what lawyers do, you take a stance, defend it as best you can, win or lose, learn and move on. You simply cannot go through life with your heart on your sleeve all the time.

Thenreason that we disagree with your views is just that; we disagree with your views, it is not personal, I do know you from a bar of soap, all I know 9s that a lot of your views don't make sense to me and I will say so when I feel the need to do so. You are welcome to disagree with my views and we can debate about it.

You need to accept that your viewsmare not going to go unchallenged just as the views of everybody else here doesn't go unchallenged...that is just the way of the world.