HOW NOT TO PAY E TOLL !!!!

[IanF]

I still see the ANC announcing the reduction of rates to about 10c/km basis and use this as an election tactic.
There are still no details of when this will be implemented.

[Dave A]

I still see the ANC announcing the reduction of rates to about 10c/km basis and use this as an election tactic.

I'm pretty sure the ANC is mindful that there's an election around the corner. And on track record, you're probably right - fair chance they'll come with some sort of "we've reduced the tariff" play or something similar to try to put a positive spin on the whole fiasco.

Two problems with that, of course:
1. They are the ones who introduced the e toll plan in the first place
2. We need to look beyond the introductory rate. What will the bill be down the line?

[Phil Cooper]

Right

Press say from what they have been able to ascertain, 150,000 have purchased tags, not 600,000. The bulk are Government departments and municipalities, etc.

As EACH gate you go under is a separate offence, it is estimated that they will have to take over 1.4m people to Court PER MONTH - at 15 minutes (minimum) PER HEARING. That is 350,000 HOURS of hearings in Court. As Courts work 6 hours per day (?) that represents 58,333 days - 159.82 years. Feasible? I do not think so.

CIVIL debt CANNOT end in a Criminal record. SANRAL is a private company, so actions are CIVIL, not Criminal.

You LEGALLY cannot be stopped by a private company for a private debt, or jailed for it.

Someone has not thought it through.

ETolling failed in Spain and USA because 19% and 23% of people did not pay. I think it will exceed 40% here - and they have said they need 90% payment to succeed.

In their dreams!

[Citizen X]

Many have bought the e-tag, but this is no gaurantee that the e-tag itself will necessarily always work. It's a cheap device. Let's assume you buy it and it just never works, then what I'll wait for the bill though..

[Hermes14]

have a 20 year old daughter who s is very naive and impressionable and has to travel on the highways to college, who is going to defend her if at some stage SANRAL decides that they going to have a road block and arrest all who go through, throw her in jail over night. Whilst this is unlawful and would be thrown out of court, who is going to carry the emotional scars that have been caused by the incarceration and what ever happens behind those bars?

Sign up with eblock watch.

http://www.eblockwatch.co.za/index.php?view=home

For a family of five members it costs about R80-00 p/month.
When you sign up you choose 5 members who you would want to contact in an emergency situation.
The way the panic button work is when you sign up they will send you a sms.
Save the number to your speed dial.
If you get into a situation where you need help just phone the number on your speed dial & it will automatically send a sms to each of those five cell phone numbers you have selected saying that you need help urgently.
Eblock watch also has an app, if you get stopped by a corrupt policeman, you activate the app &
the conversation gets recorded on a computer.
You must inform the police / traffic officer that this conversation is being recorded.
Eblock watch doesn't monitor these conversations but if you need it you just contact them & they will give you a copy of it.
A lot of corrupt metro & policeman have been caught this way.
Another nice thing is that eblock watch has a closed face book page, if you report someone missing, there are many people who will start looking for that person.
The last I heard eblock watch had 85 000 members nation wide.

[pmbguy]

Right

Press say from what they have been able to ascertain, 150,000 have purchased tags, not 600,000. The bulk are Government departments and municipalities, etc.

As EACH gate you go under is a separate offence, it is estimated that they will have to take over 1.4m people to Court PER MONTH - at 15 minutes (minimum) PER HEARING. That is 350,000 HOURS of hearings in Court. As Courts work 6 hours per day (?) that represents 58,333 days - 159.82 years. Feasible? I do not think so.

CIVIL debt CANNOT end in a Criminal record. SANRAL is a private company, so actions are CIVIL, not Criminal.

You LEGALLY cannot be stopped by a private company for a private debt, or jailed for it.

Someone has not thought it through.

ETolling failed in Spain and USA because 19% and 23% of people did not pay. I think it will exceed 40% here - and they have said they need 90% payment to succeed.

In their dreams!

I think your post is the most damming one so far against the feasibility and ultimate adoption of E-Toll. If you are right I can’t for the life of me think it’s ever going to work.

[Hermes14]

it is estimated that they will have to take over 1.4m people to Court PER MONTH - at 15 minutes (minimum) PER HEARING. That is 350,000 HOURS of hearings in Court. As Courts work 6 hours per day (?) that represents 58,333 days - 159.82 years. Feasible? I do not think so

Please show me a court that can hear a case in 15 Minutes.(Excluding cases being remanded)

[Miro Bagrov]

The main investor of in this project from Dubai. The money is just going overseas to pay the interest as return on investment. If the government made the mistake of "guaranteeing" the loan, that is indeed stupid.

This project is definitely a failure.

I just hope motorists think twice next time before they complain that the roads are not wide enough.

[IanF]

The main investor of in this project from Dubai. The money is just going overseas to pay the interest as return on investment. If the government made the mistake of "guaranteeing" the loan, that is indeed stupid.

This project is definitely a failure.

I just hope motorists think twice next time before they complain that the roads are not wide enough.

@Miro who is this Dubai backer, I thought this was financed by bonds and the government pension fund was the main buyer of the bonds?

[HR Solutions]

I was under the impression that it was Austrian , but either way its out of the country !!

[Dave S]

@Miro who is this Dubai backer, I thought this was financed by bonds and the government pension fund was the main buyer of the bonds?

It's a company called "Kapsch", Austrian based, but with ties in Dubai, Europe, USA. But as HR Solutions said, the money is leaving the country...

[IanF]

It's a company called "Kapsch", Austrian based, but with ties in Dubai, Europe, USA. But as HR Solutions said, the money is leaving the country...

Kapsch are involved in collecting the money, but I don't think they are the majority investor in the project. Miro are they owned by a Dubai investor?
Anyway still no announcement on the start date!

[golfer]

Will never get an e-tag.
Its discounted rates for now with e-tag, but once we all have e-tags what then.
Keep the power in our hands
Check this out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hNYrcU5Hh4

[Hermes14]

Someone on another forum pointed out this post to me.
This is the first I have heard of this agenda 21

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=991xB5MRJoA#t=46

They are building a UN directed system, to track and control (and restrict) all human activity. Money was never the issue. Tracking and control is the issue. That is why even exempt vehicles like ambulances etc MUST still have e-tags.

#etoll THIS IS WHY YOU ARE GETTING E-TOLLS GAUTENG! All other SA ICLEI cities.. You're up next!

#AGENDA21 #SMARTGRID #GDS2040

Please watch and share the 4min video below, and READ and share this post:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ9sCsETPh4

"Sustainable Urban Mobility in 2040":

- "the only solution" for our future (to save us from the fable of AGW), is "TIGHTLY PLANNED AND CONTROLLED URBAN TRANSPORT"
- 'Calorie Cards' (rations, or carbon credit cards), allowing you to travel, or not.
- Registered visits, as reported on by this page last week (https://www.facebook.com/StopAgenda2...76605249074057)
- High density cities, compact "stack 'n pack" living units
- Children allocated to school, no free choice
- Designated jobs
- All food controlled by Global Food Council
- Only the rich can afford to drive cars, admittedly because of "global carbon deals" - you know... the ones that are MANDATORY, and decided behind closed doors; the ones you NEVER get to vote on... yeah THOSE!
- 'Many cities banning cars in central areas'

See anything yet? This is the absolute death of free mobility. And the death of all personal liberty, and freedom of choice. This is the reason SANRAL and the government WILL NOT let go of electronically tolling Gauteng's highways (which services the entire SADC region and beyond, so those countries can also prepare themselves for price increases. On everything). It has been openly admitted by government that this tolling project aims (allegedly amongst other things) to push people off private transport onto public transport.

They are building a UN directed system, to track and control (and restrict) all human activity. Money was never the issue. Tracking and control is the issue. That is why even exempt vehicles like ambulances etc MUST still have e-tags.

And this is the system they are building, under our noses, expropriating OUR money to do it, without giving us a say in the matter, while telling us they have to build this system because there aren't enough funds to maintain our roads.

As shown by our previous post about the Africa Union, these "regional sustainablility plans" are decided on behind closed doors (actually nothing is decided, it has all been pre-decided), and will be forced down our throats. All Agenda 21 "climate agreements" to cut emmisions are MANDATORY.

And let's never forget, that his entire undemocratic, totalitarian, social engineering system, is all politically justified by a pseudo-scientific fable; that human activities producing CO2, is chaning the climate of the planet.

Agenda 21. Feel it. It is here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ9sCsETPh4

Copied from Memory Grce Pieterse on Face book

I think this is the document they are talking about

http://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/Agenda21.pdf

[desA]

This ANother Crook mob are thick.

Instead of ploughing money into decent mass transport, they choose to squeeze the remaining transport conduits for blood. Causing inflation, resentment & adding nails to the economy's coffin.