The Bradley Manning Saga

[tec0]

I still don't agree at all.

I also believe that history must be Historically accurate at all times. But the truth is hardly ever practical. There are countless examples where historians wrote female priest out of the picture. It took years to uncover the truths. And even today some entities will insist that the lie is the truth and the truth is a lie.

The reason is very simple actually. They do not want to be held accountable for their actions. Even today there still people that demand answers for things that happened in the second world war. They want to take people that is nearly a 100 years old and put them in prison or worse.

History is accountability and motive.

The world don't really care for what we believe or disbelieve with enough time the truth may see the light or it may not.

[HR Solutions]

Not making any sense again ...... But whatever dude

[tec0]

Not making any sense again ...... But whatever dude

I really don't know why you have to insult people all the time? It is getting old. I am not going to convince you, as you stated yourself the internet is easy enough to use. If you take the time you will find that there are a lot of conflicts within historical data. As you said you had no interest to read “copy paste” info so if I were to add some examples you will not take note of them. And that is by choice.

But funny thing is people will read they will make there own choices.

[wynn]

And the more we manipulate history the more often we are destined to make the same mistakes!!

[Dave S]

One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist... History is written by the victor not by facts. It is and will forever remain fact that there are monsters on all sides and each of them will get away with there crimes against humanity until such time when they lose then things will change so that they will remain the same. So what am I saying?

the more things change the more they stay the same...

A simple truth if there ever was one.

I'm inclined to agree with you here Tec0, history does change according to new "facts" that come to light later on, if these facts are from the victor or the vanquished? well, later history will tell us that.

[Citizen X]

A traitor passes secrets to the enemy that put their own country at risk.

No secrets were passed - only proof of savage disregard for the rights of innocent people who were mis-treated by soldiers acting against the rules of their own country.

I think he did a GREAT thing, and should not be jailed.

A very good afternoon to you Phil,
Would your answer differ if Manning was your employee and from an unlawful competition perspective gave trade secrets to your competitors?
Alternatively, would you still keep him in your employ if he uploaded virtually all your business documents?

[Dave A]

On the "flexibility of history" issue, time and distance tends to give better perspective and objectivity.

There's no doubt the Nats distorted history to suit their views. Not much doubt the ANC have done some of the same too.

[pmbguy]

How do I articulate this and not thud risqué politics, perhaps a semi anecdote:
On campaign Seizer came across a statue of Alexander and wept, for he was humbled, far beyond his perceptions of ambition was Alexander. At the end of the late republic.. (Seizer...... Octavian) the emperor’s started to build much more, the Roman empire became 400% more wealthy with expansion, as usual, After the Republican age, directly fortified by single rule and continuity The later Roman empire pumped, like the US....this is the US. Their version of the 49AD in 2013 . The skirt of democracy is just cloth, nothing more. US policy is somewhat separated from the democratic process. I hope the US wins, if they fail we will all eventually live pretty shitty, all work no play. No room for personal talent just another peasant in the cog.

Hit them now whilst you have military superiority!...

[Chrisjan B]

Problem is their national debt is so huge they in reality cannot afford to hit a mosquito.....

[Justloadit]

that's why they need another war, to create wealth again.

Destruction always requires rebuilding, and generally after the destruction, there is no past debt as it is wiped out during the destruction process.

[HR Solutions]

that's why they need another war, to create wealth again.

Destruction always requires rebuilding, and generally after the destruction, there is no past debt as it is wiped out during the destruction process.

And that is hitting the nail squarely on the head.

[Citizen X]

On the "flexibility of history" issue, time and distance tends to give better perspective and objectivity.

There's no doubt the Nats distorted history to suit their views. Not much doubt the ANC have done some of the same too.

A very good afternoon to you Dave

As Dave candidly pointed out both the Nats and the ANC recognized historical revisionism for whatever agenda they deemed necessary. The Nats were gentlepeople in the manner in which they allowed for a peaceful transition in SA. One need only look at Syria to realize that ‘a ruling party,’ need not let go of power so easily.
The ANC on the other hand have demonstrated by their various conduct that they have a problem with freedom of expression and the media in particular. This is an indication that the ANC would much rather have their version of South African history post 1994 told than what has in actual fact transpired and is currently transpiring!
I reiterate that I will never in good conscience condone the killing of any civilians in war and civil war regardless of who such civilians are or what their belief system is. One must then appreciate, based on our ‘history,’ that mankind has selective morality

1. I may be wrong but as I understand it, the USA admitted to killing a certain amount of civilians in Iraq but were not forthcoming of the actual amount of civilians killed which they were privy to.
2. Iraq: Once the Iranian revolution transpired, history informs us that Saddam Hussein invaded Iran and some 1,5 million people were killed on both sides. So, it apparent to me that if you kill civilians and you don’t hide it, i.e. you state that a certain amount of innocent people were killed, then it appears that there is no problem. What is wrong with this scenario???
3. When Sadam Hussein invaded Kuwait some 100, 000 people were killed. Again it appears not to be a problem as long as you don’t hide it and Sadam didn’t hide it!!
4. Sadam had a genocide campaign against his very own people namely the Kurdish people,
5. To bring a speedy end to world war 2, the USA used atomic weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, some 230 000 people perished! This was never hidden but it was justified;
6. Since I have a grassroots predisposition, I turn to grassroots examples to describe this world we live in. Marley say, this world is a ‘Mix up , Mix up,’ and “he who hide the wrong he did, surely did the wrong thing still!”

“Well, it's not easy,
It's not easy
Speak the truth, come on, speak. Eh, now!
It ever cause it what it will:
He who hide the wrong he did
Surely did the wrong thing things.
Live up the wiggle-ix-up, in the mix-up, yes!
Too much so fellow-ix up!
Too much of this mix up - mix up!

[led]

that's why they need another war, to create wealth again.

Destruction always requires rebuilding, and generally after the destruction, there is no past debt as it is wiped out during the destruction process.

Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind.
John F. Kennedy

Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime.
Ernest Hemingway

Wealth is a fallacy and war is a crime against humanity.

When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die.
Jean-Paul Sartre

[Justloadit]

@LED

Sticks and stones.
I was making a comment, and not advocating war, and no matter what quotes you post, while testosterone in flowing in man's blood, and as long as man keeps on trespassing some of "Ten commandments" (*), there will always be war.

(*) Please note I am not trying to discuss religion, just simply enlightening some of the laws that humans trespass on a daily basis, which gives rise to conflict.

[Citizen X]

@LED

Sticks and stones.
I was making a comment, and not advocating war, and no matter what quotes you post, while testosterone in flowing in man's blood, and as long as man keeps on trespassing some of "Ten commandments" (*), there will always be war.

(*) Please note I am not trying to discuss religion, just simply enlightening some of the laws that humans trespass on a daily basis, which gives rise to conflict.

The simple reality is that both war and civil war is quite the reality in mankinds past and his present. Some religious books postulate that 'there will come a time when man will know war no more .'
Africa is riddled with civil war. The middle east and such other uprisings and conflicts can't be ignored any . We've experience a first and second world war. The West, East, Middle East and Africa has and continues to have its share in the horror of war or civil war.