Smoking at work........

[zobs]

Some Companies have policies regarding smoking at work.

[Phil Cooper]

A number of Companies in the USA give non-smokers 3-4 days' extra leave every year.

They say studies show that is the time wasted by leaving work stations to go and smoke outside, and time off for smoking-related diseases.

[adrianh]

There is no getting away from it. As a smoker who wants to smoke at work you expect the employer to make special allowances for YOUR disgusting VICE. As far as I am concerned it is YOUR VICE and your problem.

[Newretailer]

I had a young lady working in my shop. During quiet times there is only person there. I forgot to ask her if she smokes. In the beginning sales were really good. After about two weeks it dropped dramatically, the worst it has ever been. Thankfully her mom opened a shop and she left. My neighbours then told me that she locked the shop frequently to go and smoke, staying away for 20 minutes at a time.

Of course in the same centre, whilst two guys went outside to smoke, the shop they worked in was stolen from. Big stuff, like TVs. Smoking does not only affect smokers.

I also know three people who got emphysema. Two died after living horrible lives for 10+ years. Another one is the husband of my one employee. She has been the breadwinner for many years as her husband is too sick to work. Me, I say thanks to the government. I stopped smoking because 1) it became so socially unacceptable, 2) it was so difficult to find places to smoke and 3) because of the expense. The biggest health gift I ever gave myself. No more bronchial pneumonia winter after winter. The strict laws have saved many lives.

[adrianh]

@Nwretailer

My mother in law died from lung cancer. We spent the last 3 weeks at her bedside watching her wither away connected to a machine pumping 7 ampules of morphine into her each day.

And to think, people actually do this to themselves.

All things being equal, if you want to kill yourself that's fine by me but please put in your will that when you get lung cancer and become unable to care for yourself that you will be happy to swollow a cyanide tablet and save your family a lot of heartache...

[Newretailer]

I guess you don't like smokers then, Adrian

Jokes aside, I think when you are young all of these stories are just stories to you. It is only when you get older that it starts to mean something.

[adrianh]

Jokes aside, I think when you are young all of these stories are just stories to you. It is only when you get older that it starts to mean something.

For sure, I started smoking in STD 7 and smoked for many many years. I stopped cold turkey one day because my chest was very sore (which it often was)

In all honesty, I don't really care whether people smoke, it's their prerogative, I just don't want to have any part in it, be it active or passive.

[tec0]

Really Tec0? All I see is someone who becomes upset if people do not agree with him. As far as the god complex, can you see the irony? You are the smoker and only your smoking matters.

I don't smoke so I don't get the irony. Just I have insight, the reality is we live in a stressed out world now if someone needs a smoke to cope with it I say go out and enjoy your smoke come back in and do your job as I know it will not effect performance unless your performance include sports or something like that.

Tell me what are the side effects of stress medication again? Some include depression and or suicide. But you would rather they use something like that because it is a magic pill right...

Yea... I remain with my statement this thread is about bosses and there massive egos. Superiority complex to a high degree.

[adrianh]

Tec0 - why don't you answer my simple question:

Will you hire a person who has to have a stinky fart every hour and then carries the smell around all day?
Or
Would you hire a person who does not wash and stinks all day?

Come on, don't be shy, tell us.

[Dave A]

Nothing like a subject as emotive as smoking to produce a fast growing thread

Would you hire a person who does not wash and stinks all day?

Depends...

If that person can do the equivalent of turning base metals into gold, I'd probably make some sort of plan to make it viable.

I wouldn't put them as a doorman at a five star hotel, though.

The argument about productivity is contextual too. As example:

I've got a fairly new hire who is responsible for documentation.
The work requires perfect accuracy, which she passed with flying colours in the interview test stage.
However, once deployed - her accuracy rapidly went to pot.
Long story as to to how I figured out her problem (focus), but the solution was to take very regular breaks.
And it has worked. She now produces in a morning more than the equivalent of what she was producing in a full working day going at it "flat out" without breaks.
She wouldn't have needed this intervention if she was a smoker

[tec0]

Tec0 - why don't you answer my simple question:

Will you hire a person who has to have a stinky fart every hour and then carries the smell around all day?
Or
Would you hire a person who does not wash and stinks all day?

Come on, don't be shy, tell us.

In my line of work we don't get to make that choice but really it wouldn't bother me one bit. Why would I judge someone for there smell and or medical condition. I am sure you will say "yea right" But I use to clean office toilets so really??? you can imagine what that is like. It doesn't bother me because a smell is a smell crap is crap and it has to get clean somehow.

Also you missed my point of electronic smokes. People can use them "almost" everywhere" no smell no nothing. But that is OK to I don't expect you to keep up with this technology because you don't have a use for it. So really it is cool. Like I said I don't judge. Despite how you see my post it remains observation regardless of the label given.

The reality is you don't condone it thus you will do what ever you can to eliminate it. All I see is people fighting to survive but they are not allowed to stress or panic or do anything at all. That expectation is unreasonable.

Question answered.

You cannot compare good Hygiene with smoking as it is not the same thing. A girl I knew would go out have a smoke then use perfume to mask the smell and she would use mouthwash each time she smoked or use gum if she couldn’t use the mouthwash. Most smokers do this even male smokers will use deodorant and gum after a smoke.

A person with poor hygiene will not walk along these lines now will they? Most of the time poor hygiene is a simple case of a toolbox talk and 99% of the time it takes care of that problem. Sometimes the problem needs to be addressed by a psychiatrist or the like.


My question to you > Have you any idea why a raven is like a writing desk?

[Newretailer]

I don't smoke so I don't get the irony. Just I have insight, the reality is we live in a stressed out world now if someone needs a smoke to cope with it I say go out and enjoy your smoke come back in and do your job as I know it will not effect performance unless your performance include sports or something like that.

Tell me what are the side effects of stress medication again? Some include depression and or suicide. But you would rather they use something like that because it is a magic pill right...

Yea... I remain with my statement this thread is about bosses and there massive egos. Superiority complex to a high degree.

Yes, we live in a stressed world. Unfortunately, neither smoking or drinking really alleviates that. As a matter of fact, it makes it worse. You put a lot of assumptions in your posts. Where did I say the alternative is stress medication? For what its worth I am against any pills unless it is absolutely necessary. A lot of additional stress added in today's world by doctors who prescribe too easily.

It is a free world and we both can have and defend our viewpoints. You do tend to take massive jumps from a simple statement to something totally different, including your god and ego statements. Quite judgemental, it appears to me.

[tec0]

You do tend to take massive jumps from a simple statement to something totally different, including your god and ego statements. Quite judgemental, it appears to me.

I have a tendency to call a duck a duck.

Did I judge the duck? Nope just call it by its name....

[adrianh]

tec0 - Eish, you're surely joking.

Of course I do everything to eliminate stuff from my life that I don't condone. It's is my life, my business, my cheese, my Chi and my choice.
I used to smoke, I no longer have cigarettes in the house.
I used to own a gun, I gave it to the cops.
I used to take drugs long ago, I no longer have drugs in the house.
I used to drink too much beer, I no longer have more than one or two beers in the house.

My friend, you need to learn that YOUR life is YOUR OWN responsibility and that you CANNOT be a victim all your life.

Those people who CHOOSE to smoke are welcome to CHOOSE to go work somewhere else, I am sure that there are many places where they would be welcome

[tec0]

tec0 - Eish, you're surely joking.

Of course I do everything to eliminate stuff from my life that I don't condone. It's is my life, my business, my cheese, my Chi and my choice.
I used to smoke, I no longer have cigarettes in the house.
I used to own a gun, I gave it to the cops.
I used to take drugs long ago, I no longer have drugs in the house.
I used to drink too much beer, I no longer have more than one or two beers in the house.

My friend, you need to learn that YOUR life is YOUR OWN responsibility and that you CANNOT be a victim all your life.

Those people who CHOOSE to smoke are welcome to CHOOSE to go work somewhere else, I am sure that there are many places where they would be welcome

You haven't answer my question, I am not a victim. Some smokers are victim to depression others have anger problems. Yes you get those who enjoy smoking too this is not untrue. You keep two beers in the house. I don't smoke anymore, don't drink alcohol. So by your standard you are not allowed to come to my home because of the two beers?

Nah I don't work like that. That said alcohol effects the mind shutting down cognitive thought. Smoking doesn't...

My question to you > Have you any idea why a raven is like a writing desk?