The great picture of our lives

[Blurock]

Almost, you got the concept...

Now for choice (or the illusion of choice) You think you said no to the situation and or made the choice to say no. The truth is you said no to the situation because your program will not be able to resolve the situation. You think the choice was made by you but the choice was made by the situation.

The actual bit that you didn't consider is "what is the outcome that the situation needs in order to resolve it. That is the unknown bit... You don't know what the outcome must be. So basically it comes down to this you are not selecting the situation. The situation is actually selecting you.

I can not agree. What you are saying is, leave everything to fate. This is a defeatist attitude.

So a guy without a job should sit by the roadside and wait for someone to pick him up and give him a job for the day. If he chooses the guy next to me, I will be content with my fate and not work that day.

The choice that I have is to equip myself with some suitable skills and seek a job in that field or start a business where those skills are in demand and can be applied. Just leaving everything to fate is like being a pre-programmed germ without a brain to think for himself.

Your brain was given to you to observe, analyse and then decide on an action. Even flee or fight, which is the most basic human reaction, requires a decision from you.

[adrianh]

@Blurock - it all comes down to your outlook on life, - do you wait for the universe to fill your half empty glass; or do you help the universe to keep your half full glass topped up.

The universe simply doesn't help those who don't help themselves.

[Blurock]

@Blurock - it all comes down to your outlook on life, - do you wait for the universe to fill your half empty glass; or do you help the universe to keep your half full glass topped up.

The universe simply doesn't help those who don't help themselves.

I fully agree.

[wynn]

* Opportunities always look bigger going than coming.

* The real reason you can't take it with you is that it goes before you do.

* Junk is something you throw away three weeks before you need it.

* Hospitality is making your guests feel at home, even if you wish they were.

* A closed mouth gathers no feet.

* A man (or woman) who can smile when things go wrong has found someone to blame it on.

* A modern pioneer is a woman who can get through a rainy Saturday with a television on the blink.

* The world is full of willing people: some willing to work and some willing to let them.

* Money isn't everything....there's credit cards, money orders, and travelers checks.

[tec0]

I am enjoying this... “But fate doesn’t exist” “Choice does not exist” And no I am not trying to be difficult. If I was wrong then every person will be a hero every person will be at their full potential.

But because we are not at our full potential means that we are being played, manipulated and forced to do what the design ask of us.

You said get a skill set and apply it right. Now why are all of us not doctors or scientists? The truth is your brain comes with a few presets. To be brave, not to be brave to be good in something and bad in something else. Our brains are programed to resolve particular situations based on these presets. “You have a fire call the firemen, you need a doctor call a doctor”

The situation mach the candidate “always without acceptation” If you are the right person for the job chances are that “you will make the choice” to resolve that situation. “But it was never a choice it was pre-designed [made or performed with purpose and intent] even before you were born” AND IT SUCKS!!!

It is not destiny, it is not fate.... It is a simple matter or resolving a situation. That is the fundamental basic of our existence.

[vieome]

And no I am not trying to be difficult.

Even if you are, by your belief of no choice, then you cant help it, you were designed like that lol.

[Citizen X]

Even if you are, by your belief of no choice, then you cant help it, you were designed like that lol.

What I'm about to say is somewhat off the topic, but I'm confident that we can find some way to allow Marley's words to have reference somewhere here? He said, " You running away, BUT, you can't run away from YOURSELF!"

[vieome]

I believe in mathematical certainty order within the chaos.

So what I would like to ask you? Because I too enjoy discussing such things. If your idea of no choice is just a belief system and as a result of this belief you live in a world or a life that

SUCKS!!!

Why don't you change your belief system?

[tec0]

Even if you are, by your belief of no choice, then you cant help it, you were designed like that lol.

Primarily because of this statement... I lack self-preservation it is not in my programming. I have sacrificed my wealth, health and livelihood to help others. It is what I do.

Thus I cannot help but to make the choices I make.

Some will say BS!!! We have freewill, we have choices. I invite you to consider each and every choice you ever made and you will find that the situation didn’t allow for any other outcome then the outcome you now have stored in your memory.

I agree with Dave and everyone else, self-conditioning, discipline and perseverance will give you a desired result when the situation comes forth and demands it. Till then we can only work hard improve upon ourselves as both our programming and the situation demands it.

It is a scary concept, but once you sit and reflect upon your own life. These words will come to mind “If I did that differently that and that would have been better or worse ” Then you will come to understand that each and every situation forced a particular and precise outcome from you each and every time. Not all of it good not all of it bad but all of them where by design.

[adrianh]

tec0 - what utter and total BULLCRAP!

Or, are you saying that you are programmed to speak rubbish?

[tec0]

tec0 - what utter and total BULLCRAP!
Or, are you saying that you are programmed to speak rubbish?

Fine proof me wrong... Lets create a realistic situation. Give me R50k unconditionally! You can make a choice and give me the money OR your programming will kick in and say "go to hell tec0 I am not giving you R50k" Thus the "choice was correctly based on your programming". Was it a choice to begin with? no choice just a simple execution of your programming.

so proof me wrong? Fact is you can't because we don't know what the desired outcome is for each and every situation. If we did we would be perfect and probability will go the way of the dodo...

[Didditmiself]

When one decides on a course of action, it should be thought through as thoroughly as possible before reaching a conclusion. Sometimes it's not at all possible to give it any thought like when a traffic light changes to amber and there's some toss driving up your backside; do you slam on brakes and hope he manages to stop or take the risk and go through on the red and hope no one comes across your path?
I've sometimes made a decision which at the time after careful consideration, becomes the wrong one, and as you say, even though it was a small seemingly insignificant one, it has had a profound effect on me or others. But the remedy is not to hate yourself for ever if it was the wrong decision. Even if it takes a long time to overcome it's effects. We are human after all. But it's a tough call if you've deliberately taken a decision knowing what the result will be. In that instance it would be too easy for me to say you must not be too hard on yourself. I tend to agree with you; it IS the small 'unimportant' things that shape our lives and generally not the big ones.......

[Citizen X]

From a philosophical perspective, all you guys have engaged in philosophizing! The final conclusions you reach, based on the importance of small decisions or changes are all sound within this broad definition of philosophizing! What is striking for me, you managed to do so easily here what many graduates of philosophy fail so dismally to do in actual practice.
We must never lose sight of the fact that one of the greatest philosophical minds to date i.e. Socrates, Plato’s teacher, was charged and put to death on charges of impiety and corrupting the youth..
There is some valid philosophical theory or belief system that can validate all your arguments!

[adrianh]

What is striking for me, you managed to do so easily here what many graduates of philosophy fail so dismally to do in actual practice.

Well then, graduates of philosophy must be extremely stupid because any fool can philosophize....talk to anybody who'se had 6 beers.

[tec0]

Decisions mean we have a choice... In my experience everything happens for a precise reason and not one of us can change the set outcome. Whatever that outcome may be.

Having discipline and acting on each situation with seriousness is just a mindset. The reality is every situation will demand a mindset to solve it. If you think no it is simply because you cannot solve it. If you think yes it is only because you can solve it.

That is life... I personally think it stinks and sucks but after doing much reflection it is a truth and there is nothing we can do about it. Everything will happen as if planned.