So what will you do if Malema becomes president of South Africa?

[Citizen X]

Yes and no...
Fact is even as a speaker he still caused a lot of public unrest and he will be held accountable because the government will demand accountability. If you consider all the facts and all his public speeches his intent becomes clear along with his motives. This will not be tolerated because the elite cannot afford it.

Tec0, you've got some sound reasoning skilss there! This is not mere hyperbole!

[bjsteyn]

I believed there was no chance that Zuma would become president. He only had primary school education, had charges of fraud etc. that just disappeared, his cure to aids claims etc. If Juju was allowed back in the ANC he has a chance of becoming president, but then that wouldn't happen under the current ANC leadership. After being expelled, being removed by the Police the other day, just confirmed that for me. (If the ANC ex-spells you the must really be a bad boy )

So Juju has three options in my eyes:

1. He workes his way back into the ANC.

By his youth league friends progressing up the ranks into ANC, he has a chance of getting back into the party and becoming leader.
That would take years though.

2. He starts his own party, but that party would never overtake the ANC and there would not be enough brains in that party to make any progress, as no one with brains would
join Malema's cause. (Which is what exactly?)

3. He leaves all political angles and starts a war.

Malema could start a war, as he is just making trouble where ever he goes.
And just when you think he can't do anything worse, he will surprise you.

Although i don't believe he would life long enough to see it threw, as he would have a few assassins hunting his head.
And believe that no one in his camp (or payees if true) have the brains for such an operation and they would loose the war.

Anyway, don't think he is worth stressing about as he is just shooting himself in the foot wherever he goes.

:-)

[tec0]

At its peak, the crowd that assembled for a night vigil ahead of the expelled ANC Youth League leader's court appearance in Polokwane on Wednesday numbered less than a thousand – a fifteenth of what organisers had claimed would arrive, and half what they claimed had actually arrived. And though energetic young men performed boisterously for the cameras, that was not enough to prevent the sense that the young people of South Africa may not, when it really came down to it, rise up in his defence. Source

Now this was expected...


How ever this part got my Interest;

One 13-year-old girl said she wasn't political, but wanted to support Malema. Several other schoolchildren, some still in their school uniforms, said they were there to support economic freedom. "I don't care if I go to school tomorrow," said one. "School is no good if we don't have jobs when we leave school." Source

This small section explains everything in its most basic form. The poor has no voice and without this individual it seems they fear that they will have no future. This is a commonality shared by most if not all South Africans regardless of colour and or political view.

The fact remains, despite everything the e-toll system continued and is in use. This shows how little say we as citizens have in this country. That said this individual may be controversial but he is important. He is important because people see him as a voice and without him they will have no say.

The following months will be very interesting

[IanF]

Reading the M&G article from Teco's post is interesting. Looks like the anti-Zuma faction is alive and vocal.
What will happen if he is not re-elected will he also be forced to resign like Mbeki was?
The thing that worries me is the new leader is voted in as he/she is "anyone but Zuma" instead of the new leader having the right vision to take us forward. But the ANC to me is backward looking instead of forward looking and until that changes we won't get anywhere.

[tec0]

Malema said his supporters needed to make sure President Jacob Zuma was not re-elected at the ANC's national conference in Mangaung.

"We must make sure Jacob Zuma does not become president of the ANC.... Remove him as a president," Malema said.

"Zuma has 700 charges against him. I only have one." Source

700 charges

Is that Accurate?

[Citizen X]

700 charges

Is that Accurate?

I truly wonder, but it will be interesting if it is 700 charges! The possibility of Zume going is there, but Malema ever becoming President, I think not! Where can he really lead us to? We've got a leadership crisis in SA, We need proper leadership and guidance, leaders who really care about us! If they are truly our elected representatives then why do they promote etolling despite a public outcry? It seems to me, that money is the key motivator to be in government, it also appears that money motivates the appointment of certain individuals in key posts and money another motivator to remove certain people from watchdog posts.
I'm glad that many people of all races are voicing their anger at poor service delivery. I don't condone the breaking of law when protesting, but government should realise that people are angry and dissatisfied. The anger and dissatisfaction is by and large directed at the ruling party. For reasons beyond me, they actually believe they doing a great job!

[Dave A]

700 charges

Is that Accurate?

The correct operative word is "had" (given the NPA declined to prosecute JZ in the end) - and yes, it certainly was a high count although I don't recall the exact number offhand.

What Juju may not have grasped is that the higher the charge count, the more complex the pursuing of the court case becomes, and the easier it becomes to obfuscate. A single charge is laser focused. Yes, it becomes all or nothing, but there's way less wriggle room and reasonable cause to delay proceedings too (at least for that particular round - there's every chance of other charges coming from other directions in time if the rumblings of the media have any merit).

I have to say I'm feeling the single charge and the nature of it for catches. In a way it does lend credence to Juju's claim that behind the charge lies a political trigger finger. If true, that doesn't make me happy about it, although there is some satisfying irony that Juju is now complaining about being beaten by a stick he helped create.

[Garf]

I remember similar comments about Zuma.

[tec0]

There is no question in my mind that there will be more to this case; I imagine that in his defence he may possibly identify other more prominent individuals. If so how will these claims be processed if processed?

[Pap_sak]

I think saffers on the whole have a very short memories. My one and only job for president of this country (I have low expectations) is to put appoint decent people in charge of the different sectors in this county, and Mr Zuma has for the most, has done this. He has also taken some to task for not doing their jobs, not all, but some.

For an ANC prez, I really don't mind the guy - and to be fair, have some level of respect for the guy, even if we differ on much.

[Blurock]

I think saffers on the whole have a very short memories. My one and only job for president of this country (I have low expectations) is to put appoint decent people in charge of the different sectors in this county, and Mr Zuma has for the most, has done this. He has also taken some to task for not doing their jobs, not all, but some.

For an ANC prez, I really don't mind the guy - and to be fair, have some level of respect for the guy, even if we differ on much.

Well I, like many South Africans have high expectations. We want a president that we can be proud of. Not someone who embarrass us every second day, shirks his responsibilities, who manipulates the law and refuses to go to court to face the more than 900 charges of corruption and abuse against him, one who has weak morals and has been accused of adultery, one who appoints pals in top positions and then refuse to acknowledge his mistake when they stuff up. One who blames his shortcomings on Verwoerd (who has been dead for how long? - 50 years!!)

I will swop JZ and the 2, 3rd 4th..... (add the numbers at will) in line with Obama any time. It is not so much that we differ so much with JZ and his government. They are just not fit for the job. Period.

[Pap_sak]

Blurock, you need to live in another country for a while, and let me tell you, you will be bitching and moaning about the way things run there with the same or greater venom, if not with in days, at least with in months. I am not saying I do not bitch and moan, hell, as a rate payer I feel it's my duty!!

I do not know you and do not have a clue what your net worth is - so will you me (and my experience) as an example of what you moving to the uk would be like:

Feck RSA - useless county, useless leaders, packing up and moving to the UK and going to open me a small shop and live the high, but easy life.

Sell up: not to bad, come out with around 180,000 pounds

arrive in the UK, eish, thing are a bit expensive

Find a fair house in in a small town far away from London. Ok so it adjoins my neighbor. It has this long 3m by 30m garden, ja, I have to say hello to my neighbors every day. The one bathroom is upstairs. No parking (garage, are you mad?) Rooms are tiny. But no crime. Schweeet, best R1.5mil I ever spent.

Now to open that shop. I got lucky only a ten year lease, crazy rents and I have to pay the crazy rates AND have to to maintain the whole building.

Business sucks as I have to compete with guys are the internet operating out of there bedrooms.

I am struggling but funnily enough I never see the guys next door working (wish they cleaned up their garden and stopped their late night parties), they on something called the "dole". Must be a great company, always pissed and going on holiday with thier 4 kids next week to Malaga, Spain.

Wish I could go on holiday...

What the feck? I pay for the dole!!!? %*#@!$%% county!

Pack the bags Sakkie, ons gaan huis toe!

[IanF]

Now Zuma talks at the UN about better education in the world when we have a crisis here with books not delivered kids not going to school in the Northern Cape as the parents protest. This man needs to go!
But we get the government we deserve, so wow we must have done lots wrong to get this government.
The best way to screen employees is first get them to fill out an application form at your office then give them simple tests relevant to your industry because you can not trust a matric certificate.
I just get despondent with the whole political scene.

[Blurock]

Blurock, you need to live in another country for a while, and let me tell you, you will be bitching and moaning about the way things run there with the same or greater venom, if not with in days, at least with in months. I am not saying I do not bitch and moan, hell, as a rate payer I feel it's my duty!!

I've been fortunate to travel extensively in the Southern parts of Africa (up to the Congo) excluding Angola. I have also been to the UK and most of Europe. South Africa is still my country and I will put off the lights when the last guys leave. That is why I am not prepared to put up with a shirty government.

I want to be proud of my country, my government, my sports stars and Saffers in general. Why should I accept second best? We have the ability. We have the brains, the manpower, the technology, the sunshine. We have everything going for us. Why should I keep quiet and let fools such as MalEnema and Zoom Zoom spoil it all?

[Citizen X]

Now Zuma talks at the UN about better education in the world when we have a crisis here with books not delivered kids not going to school in the Northern Cape as the parents protest. This man needs to go!
But we get the government we deserve, so wow we must have done lots wrong to get this government.
The best way to screen employees is first get them to fill out an application form at your office then give them simple tests relevant to your industry because you can not trust a matric certificate.
I just get despondent with the whole political scene.

It's a looney tunes laughable matter! What is apparent, by simple comparison, is that Bret Murray was labelled a racist for his painting and there was an outcry, now, Julius Malema addresses a crowd and say among many other things that Jacob Zuma is illiterate and there's no outcry, no live conference...