Metals Industry strike - my take

[Slow Blow]

Simple fact, outsourcing doesn't care. They will bring in outside skill thus no training no development no income for locals. How is this a good thing for anyone of us? I am not interested in a blame game, a history lesson nor about race. I am interested in how we local South Africans can earn, get educated and help build our economy. Because this will effect ALL OF US!

I am just training my son no more PD's!

[adrianh]

In the end the solution is clear. It has been for some time now. We "the South African people" NEED a modular training system that is accessible to all including those with learning disabilities. Simple fact a trained person can do more for your company earn better and contribute more to this Country then an untrained person can. Full stop.

But companies must start to demand this from government to implement a workable education system. Simple truth is we need to be able to write tests at a testing centre. Thus when you are ready to write you can go write your N1 N2 N3 N4 N5 and N6 exams just by simply paying for the test sit down and write it. Same day results is a MUST have! this will get corruption out of the system.

Workshops must be made available for anyone. Right now there are workshops available but some cost up to R300k to do??? What unemployed person can afford R300k! I mean are you serious!

modular workshop training at low cost will allow for accessibility and that is the one thing we need! I mean at least the future employee will have some working idea as to what is expected of her/him and they may even continue workshop training as the goal will be a FULL education and with it a PROPER understanding of the WORK thus enabling South Africans to build create and maintain infrastructure!!!

We NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED THIS !!!

or it is game over.

My One employee is busy with her second year correspondence course with UNISA
Another is 35 and doing matric by going to class every day after work.
A lady that we know did a BSC @ Unisa part time - 7 years

Go to your local technical college and do N1-N6 part time. I did N4-N6

Damn dude, haven't you ever heard of a library and evening classes. Nobody stops you from learning except your lazy ass. My 15 year old daughter teaches herself to understand Korean. Do you think that anybody learns anything by sitting on their asses all day whinging. Sis man, you talk about God and how great he is, respect him by using the intellect he gave you. If you spent half the time studying that you waste talking $h1t here you would have been a nuclear physicist by now.

[HR Solutions]

I firmly believe that you NEVER stop learning. You must always better yourself throughout your life. You never know enough - and you certainly do not learn by waiting for someone else to teach you or by sitting on the couch.

[OdetteBK]

In the end the solution is clear. It has been for some time now. We "the South African people" NEED a modular training system that is accessible to all including those with learning disabilities. Simple fact a trained person can do more for your company earn better and contribute more to this Country then an untrained person can. Full stop.

But companies must start to demand this from government to implement a workable education system. Simple truth is we need to be able to write tests at a testing centre. Thus when you are ready to write you can go write your N1 N2 N3 N4 N5 and N6 exams just by simply paying for the test sit down and write it. Same day results is a MUST have! this will get corruption out of the system.

Workshops must be made available for anyone. Right now there are workshops available but some cost up to R300k to do??? What unemployed person can afford R300k! I mean are you serious!

modular workshop training at low cost will allow for accessibility and that is the one thing we need! I mean at least the future employee will have some working idea as to what is expected of her/him and they may even continue workshop training as the goal will be a FULL education and with it a PROPER understanding of the WORK thus enabling South Africans to build create and maintain infrastructure!!!

So you complain about the workshop costing so much, have you maybe done proper homework because your ranting & raving to check that just possibly R300k is low cost (cost price - for the lack of a better term at this stage)... who is going to give up their time for free to do the workshop training? You? You seem to have enough time to moan and blame everybody else. You mention paying for a test sit down & write. Next thing there are going to be complaints & violent & property damaging strikes, because people have to pay for these tests, these tests are too expensive, etc... There are too many people in this country who think they are owed, they are the only ones who suffer, who want everything without investing anything.

There was a time when my mother & I easily could have fallen under the PD category barring a variation in skin tone. I had to start working as soon as I left school to support my mother & help my brother finish school. There was no money to go study after school. My mother was retrenched. Finding employment was not fun, my mother was told that at 45 she was too old & over qualified, at 18 I was 'too young & under qualified'. But my mother taught me a valuable lesson which you still need to learn, "so gemaak en so lat staan" doesn't cut it. Nobody owes you. You are dealt with a crappy hand in life, so what. You grow up & take responsibility for yourself, nobody will want to help you if you don't want to help yourself first. I eventually found a waitressing job, supported my family & saved my money to study bookkeeping via correspondence. Wherever I worked, I always asked someone if they would mind giving up a lunchtime or two to show me their work. I learnt basic secretarial work, control a switchboard, etc. This in turn helped me move on to other work. Again I have saved my money and 20 years later I have taken on the, albeit daunting, task of studying further. I am more than happy to assist where I can when someone asks to be helped. I don't have time for people who think I owe them my time and I 'must' teach them.

Stop using excuses and start taking responsibility for yourself.

[HR Solutions]

Nicely put Odette

[tec0]

So you complain about the workshop costing so much, have you maybe done proper homework because your ranting & raving to check that just possibly R300k is low cost (cost price - for the lack of a better term at this stage)

So only the rich have a right to education then? Ok then enjoy the world you are going to live in because it will be by your hand your mind your world.

Cheers





***Edit***

I was actually planning on writing something here but I realised that I am dealing with a clone. A mindset set forth by a monitory concept. You cannot understand what I am writing because you connected your own interpretation as fact something that other members also do. I cannot blame you for this. And if you can't see or understand my words there is nothing I can do about it.

But if you think your story or accomplishment/failure is unique in any way. It is not... In all probability someone else will share your view your story your life lessons as they are. The truth's connected to it will differ as we as humans tend to experience the same happening differently.

I must say this. If you cannot see the need for education for advancement for sustainability then I stand by my original statement. "What can we do? I answer: Absolutely nothing"

And since the moderators did not care to tone you down or ask you to be polite I see no need for this forum any more. It is sad because before the bullies it use to be a place of debate conversation and the creation of ideas concepts and ideology.

All I see now are people attacking and attacking getting away with it each and every time. The reality is waste more energy here. I see no point I see no need.

So I say thank you to the moderators/owners for there support.
I also identified business that I will never deal with this to is important.
So in truth I have learned much.

again cheers. For good.

[HR Solutions]

Again cheers tec.......... Ok let's bring some positivity back.

[pmbguy]

Tec0 - Odette has certainly not written anything that warrants the moderators to get involved.

As long as people agree with you you are fine. As soon as somebody disagrees you do the "I am a victim... I am leaving TFSA" thing, over and over again. Its embarrassing

[HR Solutions]

Its like "Throw your toys out of the cot everytime" ................ but that's cool ............... that's what children do.

[adrianh]

Funny thing the notion of "how your own life reflects your mind-set / frame of reference"

I cannot imagine how any athlete could accomplish anything if they believed that it was the worlds responsibility to do it for them. I always look at my teenage daughters and their outlook on life when it comes to this issue. I am starting to think that the problem lies in upbringing. I grew up in a household full of books and a father who was forever making stuff. He painted, sang, played guitar, made furniture and was also an orthopaedic surgeon. He was 100% self driven and all three of us kids picked it up. We all have lots of hobbies and are extremely driven in our own field of interest. My daughters are the same, they have hobbies and interests and they work on them without having to be forced to do so (homework and cleaning their rooms is not easy for them to do...but I do offer to lend a hand and often do) Anyway, they both have provincial colours in figure skating and they are both hell bent on getting SA colours. The 13year old terrorist is also hell bent on getting SA schools colours in horse riding. ok, so you might say that it is because we chase them and force them but it is not so, they practice skating 5 times a week and the little one does horse riding 3 times a week. The little one wants to start ice hockey and I am keen (she can then take all her frustrations out legally using her body and hockey stick). The most striking thing is that although she is at the rink 5 times a week she still begs me to take her on Monday nights to watch the games and on Saturday nights to skate with her friends. We said to her that we do not have R 1,300 right now to buy her new hockey skates but that doesn't faze her, she has already organized work for herself at the rink that pays R85 an hour and she has already put a lot of her old horse riding stuff up for sale. My eldest is always reading and learning. Although she is 15 she has the intellect of a very open minded and deep thinking 30 year old. People are mind boggled when they hear that she reads books on psychology, the second world war (from all perspectives), she even begged me to buy Ann Frank's Diaries. When she got into KPOP music she studied South Korean so that she could read, write and understand it. She looked into their culture and beliefs and she is very keen to go to South Korea and teach English.

I think the reason that the girls are the way that they are is because that is our lifestyle, we work hard because we want to, not because the boss says so or because we are forced to, but simply because we are fascinated with the world and our own abilities. My view with the girls has always been to support whatever they are into provided that is not terribly dangerous or illegal.

Our aim as parents is to enable our kids to be sensible, clear thinking, totally independent young ladies who do not have to rely on anybody to make their way through life. They must be equipped to earn their own money and to follow their own destiny without having to rely on a partner. They have to be able to stand tall and take their rightful place in life because they earned that right themselves.

....and this is why I am intolerant of people who do not take responsibility for their own lives, your life is your own and no government nor deity is going to live it for you....

...get off your ass and make yourself count...(...if my 13 year old and 15 year old daughters can then anybody can...)

[HR Solutions]

Adrian that pretty much describes our family as well. My two kids are so totally driven - one already qualified and the other in 3rd year. The have a work ethic second to none and that is the way my wife and I are as well. We try not to let anything get us down and if it does we stick together in a positive way, get up and try again if something has not worked out. Some people might say you need money to do this - that is bullshit - if you want to achieve you will achieve - nothing comes easy to my kids - they are also quite prepared to work side jobs for what they need. They are not scared to make it happen, they are strong kids. My daughter worked part time her whole way thro her 5 years of varsity. And obviously my wife and I would work harder when necessary to get them thro university. I never once said that the government must supply them with anything - it was up to me to make sure that we provide for them. And the sooner people start realizing that, the better. YOU have to make it happen for your family - YOU have to provide for your family - You have to ensure that you give your children the best opportunity that you can to get them face the big wide world out there !

[adrianh]

It has very little to do with money, it is all about drive and tenacity. No matter what happens we all pick one another up, dust each other off and try again. My daughters learned at a very early age that falling off a bicycle, falling off a horse and falling down skating is part of life. No matter how wonderful the meal that you cook the dishes still have to be done. The trick in life is to learn how to fall properly. It sounds odd but it is true, they actually teach kids how to fall on ice without causing serious injury. The same goes for life, $h1t is going to happen whether you like it or not and you simply have to learn how to deal with it without it getting the better of you. Relationships fail, opportunities pass you by and yes, sometimes terrible things happen but you still have to be able to continue with your journey through life having learned something from the experience. My sister is an actuary, she did nursing for a year and then got a study loan and worked her butt of. My brother is, well, you know what he is. He used to work at the local drive-in to make a bit of cash while he was studying at university (yes, he also had a study loan)

So many successful people tried and failed over and over again until they got it right. We are quick to say that some people just know exactly what to do and how to be successful, it is bull$h1t. They work, fail, get up, fall down and keep on going. There is not a single athlete that has gotten anywhere without injury or failure, it is simply a part of life.

My girls never whinge about falling down, they hurt for a while and then just practice the move until they no longer fall down.

The bottom line is that you have to try, you have to know how to fall without hurting too much, you then have to keep on at it...and you have to remember that even the absolute best athletes still fall during the most crucial competitions...life's a bitch - deal with it!

[Justloadit]

Funny thing the notion of "how your own life reflects your mind-set / frame of reference"

I cannot imagine how any athlete could accomplish anything if they believed that it was the worlds responsibility to do it for them. I always look at my teenage daughters and their outlook on life when it comes to this issue. I am starting to think that the problem lies in upbringing. I grew up in a household full of books and a father who was forever making stuff. He painted, sang, played guitar, made furniture and was also an orthopaedic surgeon. He was 100% self driven and all three of us kids picked it up. We all have lots of hobbies and are extremely driven in our own field of interest. My daughters are the same, they have hobbies and interests and they work on them without having to be forced to do so (homework and cleaning their rooms is not easy for them to do...but I do offer to lend a hand and often do) Anyway, they both have provincial colours in figure skating and they are both hell bent on getting SA colours. The 13year old terrorist is also hell bent on getting SA schools colours in horse riding. ok, so you might say that it is because we chase them and force them but it is not so, they practice skating 5 times a week and the little one does horse riding 3 times a week. The little one wants to start ice hockey and I am keen (she can then take all her frustrations out legally using her body and hockey stick). The most striking thing is that although she is at the rink 5 times a week she still begs me to take her on Monday nights to watch the games and on Saturday nights to skate with her friends. We said to her that we do not have R 1,300 right now to buy her new hockey skates but that doesn't faze her, she has already organized work for herself at the rink that pays R85 an hour and she has already put a lot of her old horse riding stuff up for sale. My eldest is always reading and learning. Although she is 15 she has the intellect of a very open minded and deep thinking 30 year old. People are mind boggled when they hear that she reads books on psychology, the second world war (from all perspectives), she even begged me to buy Ann Frank's Diaries. When she got into KPOP music she studied South Korean so that she could read, write and understand it. She looked into their culture and beliefs and she is very keen to go to South Korea and teach English.

I think the reason that the girls are the way that they are is because that is our lifestyle, we work hard because we want to, not because the boss says so or because we are forced to, but simply because we are fascinated with the world and our own abilities. My view with the girls has always been to support whatever they are into provided that is not terribly dangerous or illegal.

Our aim as parents is to enable our kids to be sensible, clear thinking, totally independent young ladies who do not have to rely on anybody to make their way through life. They must be equipped to earn their own money and to follow their own destiny without having to rely on a partner. They have to be able to stand tall and take their rightful place in life because they earned that right themselves.

....and this is why I am intolerant of people who do not take responsibility for their own lives, your life is your own and no government nor deity is going to live it for you....

...get off your ass and make yourself count...(...if my 13 year old and 15 year old daughters can then anybody can...)

Can say the same with my daughters. I have always taught them from an early age that they need to put effort in to get a result. When ever my daughters came to me for an answer, even in maths, I never gave them the answer, against everyone's frustrations, but rather taught them how to get the answer. My wife use to say that I was lazy not to give the answer, and in short did not want the kids to bother me, in a way it is true, but is was more about getting them to look at the problem holistically, and to be able to troubleshoot on their own.

Today my 27 year old has a practice in biokenetics (3 years now), and was able to purchase a house cash, and pay for her wedding, all on her own steam. My 21 year old is about to finish her diploma in copyright and editing, has already been offered internship at 2 large advertising agencies, she has decided to go to Grey's because they have international offices, and she is eying that for her future.

[HR Solutions]

Agree with you Justloadit ...... I also did not just give them the answer to a problem, but would ask them how they would do it, tell them to try it and then more often than not, they would figure it out themselves, thereby empowering themselves. Obviously if they really could not do it, Dad would guide them.

[adrianh]

When they come to me with science or math problems I always take the problem and frame it as a real world problem so that they get to understand the reasoning behind learning the methodology. I explained Pi to the little one by showing her how one would design a circular water container for the horses that has to hold 100 litres of water but cannot be taller than 300mm. The biggest problem is that the teachers are unable to frame the problem in a way that they are able to relate to it. Like Sine, it means nothing to them until you stick a mic into an oscilloscope and show them what happens when they pluck a guitar string.