dishonnest COC

**Leecatt** · 22-Sep-20, 01:05 PM

I would also like to know the answer to this. There was a time when a person in your position could pay the inspectorate authority to validate the CoC and recourse would normally be done during a meeting with the electrician and the IA or, failing that, in court.
Nowadays that system appears to have fallen away.

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**GCE** · 22-Sep-20, 04:31 PM

Hi
The Department of Labour is the custodian of the act and the will of the DOL to get involved and prosecute is lacking.
The AIA's are active and a possible solution if you are prepared to pay for the inspection.

If the member is an ECA member you could also go that route and report to your local ECA office

**ians** · 25-Sep-20, 08:33 AM

Before we all jump to conclusions ...lets see the COC ... post a copy of it.

I would be interested to see what is written on the COC ... is the house reasonably safe ?

What ar ethe issues with the house ... exposed bare copper wire?

incorrectly sized circuit breakers ?

Outdated motors ... lights and plugs doesnt mean the COC is not valid.

The bottom line ... if the transfer has already gone through ...you are responsible for the entire investgation ...repairs and costs to sue the previous owner.

**AliceD** · 26-Sep-20, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by ians

Before we all jump to conclusions ...lets see the COC ... post a copy of it.

I would be interested to see what is written on the COC ... is the house reasonably safe ?

What ar ethe issues with the house ... exposed bare copper wire?

incorrectly sized circuit breakers ?

Outdated motors ... lights and plugs doesnt mean the COC is not valid.

The bottom line ... if the transfer has already gone through ...you are responsible for the entire investgation ...repairs and costs to sue the previous owner.

Thanks Ians,
COC3p.pdf
Apparently the biggest expenses and issue is that the geyser was not earth.

Thanks for your help and opinion

**GCE** · 26-Sep-20, 07:32 PM

Looking at the copy you supplied - It is not a valid certificate and not worth the paper that it is written on unless the person that signed the COC actually owned the house and was doing it in his own capacity as owner of the house.

I don't recognize the signature so it does not look like one of the usual culprits , but that changes all the time

**AliceD** · 27-Sep-20, 07:50 AM

Originally posted by GCE

Looking at the copy you supplied - It is not a valid certificate and not worth the paper that it is written on unless the person that signed the COC actually owned the house and was doing it in his own capacity as owner of the house.

I don't recognize the signature so it does not look like one of the usual culprits , but that changes all the time

Thanks GCE, no it was not the owner but I think it was one of his friend... What makes you say that it is not valid please?

Many thanks,

**JustJohann** · 27-Sep-20, 05:34 PM

I only see 3 pages and the last page is turned sideways ? The most important part which is the test report is not attached/visible.

**JustJohann** · 27-Sep-20, 05:40 PM

One fault I can see is that who ever did it ticked the wrong box here. Should be the one below that as its an existing installation.

**GCE** · 28-Sep-20, 05:50 AM

Originally posted by AliceD

Thanks GCE, no it was not the owner but I think it was one of his friend... What makes you say that it is not valid please?

Many thanks,

On Page 1 the section for Electrical contractor is not completed - He would be allowed to leave it out if it was for himself but under the OHSA he may not do work for others unless he is a registered electrical contractor

I have pasted the 2 relevant clauses form the Electrical Installation Regulations below

6. (1) No person may do electrical installation work as an electrical contractor unless that person has been registered as an electrical contractor in terms of these Regulations

"installation work" means(
a)
the installation, extension, modification or repair of an electrical installation;
(b)
the connection of machinery at the supply terminals of such machinery; or
(e)
the inspection, testing and verification of electrical installations for the purpose of issuing a certificate of compliance

**ians** · 28-Sep-20, 08:42 AM

Anyway you look at this ... you gonna be the sucker who pays ... which is why i keep warning peope about trusting the seller to supply the COC's ... they are not worth the paper they are written on ... half the inspectors are not even suitably qualified to carry out inspections ... then they change the rules and the SANS book all the time just to add confusion

My advice ... contact the inspector on the COC ... ask him if he would kindly return and fix his illegal COC ... if he shows you the middle finger ... dont even waste your time with the ECA and the DOL and rest of that crap ... the ECA is the electrical contractors ass. ... setup to protect the contractor.

Pay for a legit "inspection report" (this could be an even bigger challenge trying to find one) to be done ... get the report with as many pics as possible ... make sure the inspection report has each regulations which does not comply listed ... then take it to social media.

99% of cases we investigate ... the customer ends up paying for the entire repair and re inspection ... to this day ... I have never heard of a customer winning a case ... the industry has been setup to protect the electrical conctractor ... it is your responsibilty to find a suitably qualified electrician/inspector to carry out your electrical work ... as stupid as that sounds.

**AliceD** · 29-Sep-20, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by GCE

On Page 1 the section for Electrical contractor is not completed - He would be allowed to leave it out if it was for himself but under the OHSA he may not do work for others unless he is a registered electrical contractor [/I]

Hi GCE,

He did fill in his registration number, his adress and phone number, I erased when I published the PDF on the forum to protect his privacy.
We did trace the COC origin from a large cleaning company based in PE.
We are having trouble finding out if the electrician that signed the document was properly registered as the DOL does not have a database...

We are sort of stuck, any suggestion is welcome !

Thank you !

**AliceD** · 29-Sep-20, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by JustJohann

One fault I can see is that who ever did it ticked the wrong box here. Should be the one below that as its an existing installation.

Thank you! I had missed that one!

**Jaws** · 29-Sep-20, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by ians

Anyway you look at this ... you gonna be the sucker who pays ... which is why i keep warning peope about trusting the seller to supply the COC's ... they are not worth the paper they are written on ... half the inspectors are not even suitably qualified to carry out inspections ... then they change the rules and the SANS book all the time just to add confusion

My advice ... contact the inspector on the COC ... ask him if he would kindly return and fix his illegal COC ... if he shows you the middle finger ... dont even waste your time with the ECA and the DOL and rest of that crap ... the ECA is the electrical contractors ass. ... setup to protect the contractor.

Pay for a legit "inspection report" (this could be an even bigger challenge trying to find one) to be done ... get the report with as many pics as possible ... make sure the inspection report has each regulations which does not comply listed ... then take it to social media.

99% of cases we investigate ... the customer ends up paying for the entire repair and re inspection ... to this day ... I have never heard of a customer winning a case ... the industry has been setup to protect the electrical conctractor ... it is your responsibilty to find a suitably qualified electrician/inspector to carry out your electrical work ... as stupid as that sounds.

The Electrician that issued the COC for the house I bought 2 years ago came back and fix all the issues that didn't comply. It took his team of 5 guys almost 3 days, and he was R20k out of pocket ( previous owner said sorry boet you signed you pay).
Same with the guy who issued the the Gas certificate, he also came back and rectified at his cost. But he did plead poverty the entire time I inspected his work.

The only one I didn't manage was the Electric fence, but that was due to an oversight from the transfer atorney, if I pushed the issue I probably could have had them foot the bill but I took that one on the chin.

**AliceD** · 29-Sep-20, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by Jaws

The Electrician that issued the COC for the house I bought 2 years ago came back and fix all the issues that didn't comply. It took his team of 5 guys almost 3 days, and he was R20k out of pocket ( previous owner said sorry boet you signed you pay).
Same with the guy who issued the the Gas certificate, he also came back and rectified at his cost. But he did plead poverty the entire time I inspected his work.

The only one I didn't manage was the Electric fence, but that was due to an oversight from the transfer attorney, if I pushed the issue I probably could have had them foot the bill but I took that one on the chin.

May I ask how you incentivised them?

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