SANS 10142-1:2017 (Ed. 2.00)

[Leecatt]

I would like to start a thread specifically to discuss the new SANS 10142-1:2017 (Ed. 2.00)

My first question is
When I purchase the PDF version can I install it on my office computer as well as my phone?
I could with the 2009 version

[ACEsterhuizen]

I would think so?

But when in doubt: (last page in sans pdf)

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system or transmitted in any form or by any means without prior written permission from the SABS
Standards Division. This does not preclude the free use, in the course of implementing the
standard, of necessary details such as symbols, and size, type or grade designations. If these
details are to be used for any purpose other than implementation, prior written permission must be
obtained.

Details and advice can be obtained from the Manager – Standards Sales and Information Services.
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[Leecatt]

I made inquiries to The ECA regarding the availability of the electronic version of the SANS-1.2017 V2 and was told that an update to it is imminent.
This made me think;
If I was to buy the paper version then the update would be offered free of charge at The ECA, consisting of all the pages upon which the information was changed. Inserting the new pages into the exiting booklet would be simple and life would carry on as normal afterwards.
However, those who have purchased the electronic version are not in the same predicament. To get the same updates electronically one would have to purchase a brand new electronic copy and that is not cheap either.
When one considers the cost of printing and distributing paper updates, as opposed to updating and re-posting a PDF File, nothing makes any sense.
Surely those who have purchased the original PDF File should also be furnished with an updated PDF file as they become available, at no extra cost?

[Leecatt]

After a visit to the ECA it has become apparent that they no longer supply free copies of the amendments to the SANS 10142-1 book.
Once there is an update both the book and the pdf file have to be repurchased. It seems that it has been this way for the past seven years.
The file is available from them on a disk, as in the past.
My apologies for any misinformation.

[GCE]

Hi

To me one of the most significant regulations that has been brought in is the inclusion of a Euro socket ( SANS 164-2 ) at every socket outlet point.
It appears that this regulation is being misread with some strange interpretations.

SANS 10142-1 ED 2 - pg 177 - 6.15.1.1.1 c - effective from January 2018 all socket-outlet points for new electrical installations shall include at least one socket-outlet complying with the dimensions of SANS 164-2.Socket-outlets points may also include socket-outlets complying with the dimensions of SANS 164-1.

The above regulation does not have any comma's or full stops between socket outlet points and new electrical installations. It also starts with socket outlet points and then refers to at least one socket outlet
It therefore reads that every socket outlet point shall have a euro

If we have a look at the definition of Installation work in the OHSA , which is what gives SANS 10142 teeth , it defines it as - the installation, extension, modification or repair of an electrical installation.

The old single socket and double socket that we are used to can therefore no longer be installed in new electrical installations.We can install any combination of old 16amp sockets , USB sockets as long as one of the socket outlets at the socket outlet point is a Euro.

[Dave A]

The old single socket and double socket that we are used to can therefore no longer be installed in new electrical installations.We can install any combination of old 16amp sockets , USB sockets as long as one of the socket outlets at the socket outlet point is a Euro.

Explains why some suppliers have a special on 4x2 "normal" SSO units at the moment. They're dumping stock that legally we are no longer allowed to install

Where does this leave us with dedicated and 5 amp socket outlets?

[GCE]

The dedicated socket outlet stays as we know it - There are moves to introduce a Euro red dedicated , blue and black in the future. The future could be awhile since the introduction of the Euro socket first started doing the rounds in 1980 , eventually got to SANS 10142 as the preferred socket in 2013 and finally compulsory in 2018 - I could be watching the introduction of dedicated euros from above if the pace stays the same.

The 5 Amp socket remains as we know it, to use exclusively for individual luminaires only, subject to SANS 10142 6.14.1.4 pg 174

[JacksonS]

Good day!

Is there a list of changes from the 2012 edition somewhere? I don't see it in the new doc.

[GCE]

Hi Jackson

There is not a table with the changes since Amdt 8 in 2012 and also because it is not an amendment but a new edition- Because it is a new edition they expect us to read the complete book and find the tweaks on the wording and the extra pieces added.

There were changes made to
the alternative supply's and included a bit on PV , UPS etc
Some extra pieces added in around DC systems and color coding
Changes to the reference standards and tables
Changes to the COC test report
Geysers now on earth leakage
Changes to consumers earth terminal
New socket outlet requirements to SANS 164-2 ( euro)

There are quiet a few spots were a may or shall where swooped out which may not appear to be a big change but does have implications.
We have been sending our guys on COC update courses to fine tune the knowledge

[JacksonS]

Thanks GCE. That's very helpful.

[ians]

It seems i need to "refresh" my registration, SANS and COC documents.

I contacted the ECB today because i was told my "registration" has expired.

I was also told i need to get a new SANS book or download.

But more important, apparently the COC's i issue are "outdated" (bought a long time ago). Funny how nobody has ever complained about them. Maybe nobody actually reads them or know what they are suppose to look like.

[ians]

Visited the ECB website, search for electrical contractors in Durban. Wow only 15 active. Does this mean everyone else is operating as pirate contractors?

[Leecatt]

The ECB no longer exists as far as I know. Registration is done directly through the DOL now and has been for some years.
I registered last year July for 3 years, it cost me R360.00.

My phone gave me another yearly reminder this year and I paid again this July for another 3 years, another R360.00. I forgot about last year.

I spent hours and hours trying to get a refund, no such luck, that money went on a one way journey.

Trying to get anyone to answer the phone was the greatest challenge and then trying to tell the person who did answer the phone my story??
I may as well have been talking Chinese.

[GCE]

Hi Ians

It is not compulsory to belong to ECB, it is your own choice.
Same way that it is not compulsary to be a member of the ECA - As far as I know ECB only helps out with Technical issues whereas ECA helps with Technical , Contractual , Labour and Training.Makes more sense top join ECA vs ECB

It is compulsory to be registered with DOL and be in possession of a contractors Licence as issued by the department if you want to be an Electrical contractor

[ians]

It seems you are right. I am wondering if it is even worth while going to the trouble of registering.