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  • Fanie
    Bronze Member

    • Mar 2011
    • 117

    #1

    Toll roads

    Zuma announced on TV tonight that (after the implimentation of the toll gates) there are going to be huge changes and a surge in business opportunity.

    I couldn't help thinking that the toll gate money is now going to fund these 'new' business opportunities.

    Is this another way to distribute health ? I do not see how wealth can be created by distributing it.

    Sorry I don't know where else to post this than in the scam allert forum.
    Regards
    Fanie
  • AndyD
    Diamond Member

    • Jan 2010
    • 4946

    #2
    Originally posted by Fanie
    Sorry I don't know where else to post this than in the scam allert forum.
    Lol, I don't see a fairy tale forum so scam alert would have been the most appropriate

    I'm guessing the surge in business is being predicted because with the new roads that the tolling is going to pay for everyone will be at work on time because of less traffic jams.
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    • Nickolai Naydenov
      Silver Member

      • Jan 2012
      • 305

      #3
      What Zuma said is that the etolling is creating jobs meaning people that will work in collections for example. To run the etolls it is estimated that one third of the turnover will go to collections, so thisi is what Zuma calls creating of jobs and growing the economy, however he does not take into onsideration that the people that would be paying for the toll roads are actually the tax payers which run the whole economy, that means that those people's buying power decreases because they have to now pay not only for the toll roads but for the increased prices of goods as the retailers will pass the cost to us and all of a sudden there is stegflation. But while this is happening in our country the money that will be collected from the toll roads will go out of the country as the etolls were paid for by a foreign company, how much sense does this make? None, but I'm sure that a few corrupt government officials took millions home so the etolls can benefit the foreign company. The whole concept does not make sense at all. In his budget speach minister Gordhan said that government will cover half the costs, where do those mone come from? Our tax payers pockets, it's not like he got the money from somewhere else. Now the other half apparently we have to pay for? Didn't we pay for the first half anyway? Did you know that the SAPS nationwide uses on average 16 000 000 liters of fuel per month! There are estimated 7 950 000 registered vehicles in south africa. You fo the maths and tell me if the government adds in special fuel levy of say 10c per litter of fuel to the normal price in how long will the 20 billion be paid? I can tell you that if each vehicle uses 100 liters per month which is more than a realistic price the government will collect just under a billion rand in a year time, but the money will stay in the economy, our infrastracture will still grow, prices would not go up because of that increase, people would have more money to spend, when people spend money the economy is growing and all that with an actual increase of 1c per kilometer, i sa 1c because if your vehicle uses 10 liters of fuel per 100km distance then 1 liter gives you 10 kilometers so 10c increase on a liter means increase of 1c per kilometer which we can all afford, logical isn't it, however our government which are people that work for us are useless and do what they like and obviously they don't care that they should look at our well-being.
      ---There is no traffic at the extra mile---

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      • Blurock
        Diamond Member

        • May 2010
        • 4203

        #4
        The problem is that 90% of our so called leaders in parliament do not have the faintest clue about economics.

        In theory tolls sound good. You use the road, you pay, we fix the pot holes. In practice it works differently; you pay, we share the money with our foreign buddies and you fix your own pot holes.

        Well, maybe they do understand economics. They know just how to fleece the public and get away with it. Or are they being coached by their overseas "investors" ? (read masters).
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        • Chrisjan B
          Gold Member

          • Dec 2007
          • 610

          #5
          Sad but true...

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          • Citizen X
            Diamond Member

            • Sep 2011
            • 3411

            #6
            Indeed, that's a fairytale for adults! The one good thing that will have come out of this tollgate mess is that more people are going to change their votes from the ANC to opposition parties, The ANC have demonstrated by virtue of their actions that they will dictate to South African what a future state of affairs will be!
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            • Nickolai Naydenov
              Silver Member

              • Jan 2012
              • 305

              #7
              Originally posted by Vanash Naick
              Indeed, that's a fairytale for adults! The one good thing that will have come out of this tollgate mess is that more people are going to change their votes from the ANC to opposition parties, The ANC have demonstrated by virtue of their actions that they will dictate to South African what a future state of affairs will be!
              I know what you saying however when voting time comes the ANC will walk into the townships with promises for free houses, social grants, they will give the people shirts, they will feed the people and they will get the votes again. Unfortunately people living at the townships are so poor that the moment you give them something they believe that's how it will be, however once the votes are in those people are forgotten, it's always the same strategy
              ---There is no traffic at the extra mile---

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              • Fanie
                Bronze Member

                • Mar 2011
                • 117

                #8
                Originally posted by Nickolai Naydenov
                I know what you saying however when voting time comes the ANC will walk into the townships with promises for free houses, social grants, they will give the people shirts, they will feed the people and they will get the votes again. Unfortunately people living at the townships are so poor that the moment you give them something they believe that's how it will be, however once the votes are in those people are forgotten, it's always the same strategy
                The strategy used is also by deviding black and white by making whites the enemy of the blacks - that is what malema was used for. As long as blacks are made to believe that whites stole the land from blacks and killed them by the thousands and as long as the white colonialists is the cause of the blacks poverty and 'struggle' - so long will the blacks vote anc.

                Now you know why the schooling system was changed - it pays to have stupid illiterate masses that can be easily manipulated and sell your fallacies to.
                Regards
                Fanie

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                • Dave A
                  Site Caretaker

                  • May 2006
                  • 22803

                  #9
                  The one glaring thing to me in this etolling debacle is the importance of consultation.

                  Government did go through a consultation process.
                  No-one endorsed the etolling plan.
                  They're doing it anyway.

                  The mandatory consultation phase supposedly makes the process legitimate - What a farce!
                  Participation is voluntary.

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                  • Citizen X
                    Diamond Member

                    • Sep 2011
                    • 3411

                    #10
                    A shocking shamble of a farce actually!
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                    • Blurock
                      Diamond Member

                      • May 2010
                      • 4203

                      #11
                      "...the tolls will create jobs". The biggest lie ever. While the proceeds are paid to their foreign masters?!

                      The ANC government is selling the same lie regarding fracking in the Karoo. The only jobs that will be created is low paid labourer jobs and for the lucky ones maybe a job as a truck driver. All this while the environment is being poisoned. By the time these gas wells have been exploited (5-10 years) the landscape would have been turned into a cesspit that will not sustain any life. The temporary jobs will be gone and the people would have to be relocated, placing even more pressure on scarce resources.

                      More sustainable is the KAT (kilometre array) and radio telescope system to be built at Carnarvon and Sutherland in the Karoo. These would create long term jobs and will generate billions in direct investment to RSA. Actually the proposed fracking would also adversely affect the radio telescope program.

                      Someone has to teach the ministers in government the principles of cause and effect.
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                      • Justloadit
                        Diamond Member

                        • Nov 2010
                        • 3518

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Blurock
                        Someone has to teach the ministers in government the principles of cause and effect.
                        The only cause they understand is that when they are caught they resign, and if they go to jail they get sick.
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                        • AndyD
                          Diamond Member

                          • Jan 2010
                          • 4946

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Dave A
                          The one glaring thing to me in this etolling debacle is the importance of consultation.

                          Government did go through a consultation process.
                          No-one endorsed the etolling plan.
                          They're doing it anyway.

                          The mandatory consultation phase supposedly makes the process legitimate - What a farce!
                          Better get used to it, this same process has been use for all the ill-thought-out large projects over the last two decades. Maybe too much weight is given to advice that comes from those who have a direct or indirect vested interest. Maybe it's driven by ministers and politicians who want to make a name or legacy for themselves.
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                          • Nickolai Naydenov
                            Silver Member

                            • Jan 2012
                            • 305

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Justloadit
                            The only cause they understand is that when they are caught they resign, and if they go to jail they get sick.
                            Very well said. Shabir is the mirricle man thou, he's like Chuck Norris bwahaha... Very sad how the whole system is manipulated.
                            ---There is no traffic at the extra mile---

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                            • wynn
                              Diamond Member

                              • Oct 2006
                              • 3338

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Nickolai Naydenov
                              You fo the maths and tell me if the government adds in special fuel levy of say 10c per litter of fuel to the normal price in how long will the 20 billion be paid? I can tell you that if each vehicle uses 100 liters per month which is more than a realistic price the government will collect just under a billion rand in a year time, but the money will stay in the economy.
                              We are already paying a fuel levy that is supposed to fund the improvement of the roads, but as usual this amount has been 'white anted' and is now not enough to pay for more 'Cadre Deployment' 'Tenderpreuneurs' and corruption
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