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  • Darkangelyaya
    Silver Member

    • Nov 2012
    • 247

    #256
    Originally posted by sma
    Hello everyone

    This was a real eye opener I must say!!!!!!!!!!
    Sad but true.

    I follow the news on this with a fair amount of interest, and I must say my heart breaks every time I read the comments on the news articles / facebook pages.

    It's fine to point out to the pitfalls of a scheme like this to people who earn 'comfortably', and even maybe judge them a little for joining; but the problem arises when there is no food on your table, and no money to pay your child's school fees. Common sense flies out of the window, and survival becomes the only issue. Once that has been mastered (after a few weeks on the scheme) the next phase would be getting used to the regular cash, and then wanting more money, taking bigger risks.

    It is quite obvious from the comments on the articles that people are highly emotional about this issue. The reason for that is in most cases, that without this income stream, they are desperately poor.

    Yet somehow, Chris Walker has managed to become a saint and savior in these people's eyes. I feel sick to my stomach if I think of the (quite likely) possibility that he orchestrated everything (even the freezing of the account). I will have to wait and see, but if this is true (and some are saying R200 million is missing from the account), then Mr. Walker has pulled one of the most ingenious stunts ever.

    1. He 'sold' a 'product' that is not quantifiable, not provable in a clinical sense. (EFT/Tapping)
    2. If the 'product' failed, then no-one had any recourse because how could you prove it did/did not work?
    3. Because he needed a 'product' in order for this scheme to not be classified as a pyramid scheme, he searched far and wide for the 'perfect fit'. (See the EFT Foundation article in my earlier posts - this is where it began, and he admits having looked everywhere for the right product)
    4. He made joining the scheme irresistable at the ROI of 2% per day;
    5. He made it accessible to everyone at R 100 per point;
    6. He covered his backside by stating that members may not promote this as an 'investment scheme' unless they want to forfeit all their benefits, which means that, even if he wins this case, he has the full right not to pay out any dividends. (Especially to those 99% of members so very vocal about this 'investment' in the press.
    7. He has made the very clever move of donating to a Soweto-based charity;
    8. He has not, as far as I know, made any statement to the press, on a FB page, or to members in general - has he even been seen since the 28th?
    9. He has appealed to and touched people's emotions, and that is why they will march, slander and toyi-toyi for him;

    What are the chances that he's stashed that missing R200 mill somewhere? Obviously he was well aware that the scheme had a limited lifespan. (I would've been in Cuba if I was him).

    He has done irreparable harm to an alternative healing modality (EFT) that has proved to be of immense value in my life, and in the lives of a lot of my nutty alternative hippie friends.

    In my world, people who harm the innocents, be it animals, plants, or people for their own gain, have no excuse.

    I hope that I am proven wrong in this instance - so many people are suicidal about this.
    ~Anything or anyone who does not bring you alive, is too small for you~ Carina
    ~The moment you think you know it all, is the moment you know nothing~ Carina
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    • Dave A
      Site Caretaker

      • May 2006
      • 22807

      #257
      Originally posted by Darkangelyaya
      1. He 'sold' a 'product' that is not quantifiable, not provable in a clinical sense. (EFT/Tapping)
      I think that's going to be disputed (that he was selling EFT) - the connection between the scheme and "selling EFT" is extremely tenuous. Given the way the connection was presented on the website, my view was that at best it was a "perk" - and at worst a very shallow attempt at legitimising the true purpose of the site.
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      • Newretailer
        Bronze Member

        • Jun 2011
        • 195

        #258
        Oh lordy. Thank you DarkAngel. My first reaction is "how can anyone be that stupid?", but as you point out one does not know until you walk in their shoes. I often think I am far too cynical, but when I read about these types of schemes I am thankful for that.
        Sometimes the only transport available is a leap of faith

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        • Pfuma
          Email problem
          • Feb 2013
          • 9

          #259
          I have read on the DefenceX website, i saw a notice posted on the 4th of March 2013 confirming that the skeduled EFT session is still taking place at Wits this coming saturday. Those who bought points for the event, please go there and ask few questions for us who cant attend because id fully booked.

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          • Darkangelyaya
            Silver Member

            • Nov 2012
            • 247

            #260
            Originally posted by Pfuma
            I have read on the DefenceX website, i saw a notice posted on the 4th of March 2013 confirming that the skeduled EFT session is still taking place at Wits this coming saturday. Those who bought points for the event, please go there and ask few questions for us who cant attend because id fully booked.

            I hope you will find some answers there, but as far as I know it will be hosted by the EFT Foundation. I'm willing to eat any shoe in my cupboard if Chris shows up there.
            ~Anything or anyone who does not bring you alive, is too small for you~ Carina
            ~The moment you think you know it all, is the moment you know nothing~ Carina
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            • Darkangelyaya
              Silver Member

              • Nov 2012
              • 247

              #261
              Originally posted by Newretailer
              Oh lordy. Thank you DarkAngel. My first reaction is "how can anyone be that stupid?", but as you point out one does not know until you walk in their shoes. I often think I am far too cynical, but when I read about these types of schemes I am thankful for that.
              Interesting comment, especially when read in conjunction with your tagline..
              ~Anything or anyone who does not bring you alive, is too small for you~ Carina
              ~The moment you think you know it all, is the moment you know nothing~ Carina
              twitter: @DarkAngelYaya - Blogger: The Common Garden Variety Goddess - darkangelcarina@gmail.com

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              • andrecv
                Full Member
                • Jun 2012
                • 42

                #262
                Hi mate ! if you made a profit did you withdraw it from the investment ? i also tried my luck with HYIP's and fortunately made reasonable profits BUT could not withdraw because of it being a international paying site (scam)....PerfectMoney, Libertyreserve,etc...lost R3600 and very glad i got out....
                At the end i would suggest get your profits back (in your pocket) asap...thereafter play with there money....good luck.

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                • Darkangelyaya
                  Silver Member

                  • Nov 2012
                  • 247

                  #263
                  Geeeezzzz... 43 000+ views of this thread!
                  I kinda suspect the proverbial pawpaw is straight on its way to the mother of all fans.
                  (And I kind of think that LOADS of more people are affected, but that they are too afraid/ashamed/aware to comment and thereby admit to being part of this.)
                  Suddenly I remembered why mainstream media isn't really my thing.
                  I need to find a hobby, I really do.
                  ~Anything or anyone who does not bring you alive, is too small for you~ Carina
                  ~The moment you think you know it all, is the moment you know nothing~ Carina
                  twitter: @DarkAngelYaya - Blogger: The Common Garden Variety Goddess - darkangelcarina@gmail.com

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                  • Newretailer
                    Bronze Member

                    • Jun 2011
                    • 195

                    #264
                    Originally posted by Darkangelyaya
                    Interesting comment, especially when read in conjunction with your tagline..
                    There is a difference between taking a leap of faith where you understand the risks, but you hope through hard work and perserverance you can succeed and believing ANYONE who says: give me your money and without you having to do a damn thing, it is going to grow and you will get rich. And I do this because I really care about all you faceless people out there. Only one involves cynicism.

                    My mother got involved with the kubus scheme (was that the scheme where you grew a culture?) when I was at an impressionable young age.
                    Sometimes the only transport available is a leap of faith

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                    • Darkangelyaya
                      Silver Member

                      • Nov 2012
                      • 247

                      #265
                      Just a quick question:

                      Why has Chris Walker not contacted the Defencex Members with a non-committal, but reassuring statement such as:

                      'Dear Members, you are no doubt aware of the legal actions commencing at this time - Please be assured that my thoughts are with you. As per the legal advice from my attorneys, I am advised not to make any further statements.'

                      (And he might have added something like 'Happy Tapping' or 'I do NOT, actually, walk on water yet.', or 'Bon Voyage')

                      Since members registered using their cellphone numbers, how difficult would it be for a scheme of this magnitude to update their loyal followers via bulk sms's?

                      Example:
                      1. Dear Defencex member, we are experiencing technical problems with our bank accounts. Please be patient! (28/2)
                      2. Dear Defencex member, due to a SARB investigation, our bank accounts will not be able to handle deposits or withdrawals for now. We will keep you informed (1/3)
                      3. Dear Defencex member, we are seeking legal advice with regards to the High Court Interim Order. (3/3)
                      4. Dear Defencex member, we apologize for the unforseen interuptions in service - we will be back online ASAP (5/3)
                      5. Dear Defencex member, we will miss your deposits (7/3)

                      There are all kinds of serious allegations flying around (on facebook of course - where everything is true!) at the moment, such as that the stepping down of a certain CEO is mentioned as being a result of this specific account; that there is an alternative scheme already in place to fill this gap; that the owners of the new scheme orchestrated this downfall...

                      I will not be surprised if there is a mass action at WITS tomorrow. Be safe, people... don't let violence and anger take over.

                      Interesting, heartbreaking times.

                      Just saying.
                      ~Anything or anyone who does not bring you alive, is too small for you~ Carina
                      ~The moment you think you know it all, is the moment you know nothing~ Carina
                      twitter: @DarkAngelYaya - Blogger: The Common Garden Variety Goddess - darkangelcarina@gmail.com

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                      • Darkangelyaya
                        Silver Member

                        • Nov 2012
                        • 247

                        #266
                        I reckon Chris followed my advice... He showed up at Wits and did his non-commital speech, did not discuss the case, did not take any questions.
                        Well played!
                        (I have to look for the most palatable shoe I own now. Think it will go down easier with butter?)
                        ~Anything or anyone who does not bring you alive, is too small for you~ Carina
                        ~The moment you think you know it all, is the moment you know nothing~ Carina
                        twitter: @DarkAngelYaya - Blogger: The Common Garden Variety Goddess - darkangelcarina@gmail.com

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                        • Darkangelyaya
                          Silver Member

                          • Nov 2012
                          • 247

                          #267
                          Originally posted by Darkangelyaya
                          I hope you will find some answers there, but as far as I know it will be hosted by the EFT Foundation. I'm willing to eat any shoe in my cupboard if Chris shows up there.
                          Damn. Choose a light summer sandal please?
                          ~Anything or anyone who does not bring you alive, is too small for you~ Carina
                          ~The moment you think you know it all, is the moment you know nothing~ Carina
                          twitter: @DarkAngelYaya - Blogger: The Common Garden Variety Goddess - darkangelcarina@gmail.com

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                          • Dave A
                            Site Caretaker

                            • May 2006
                            • 22807

                            #268
                            I don't recall anyone taking you up on your challenge. Not even Chris himself!
                            (I really do suspect the one profile in this thread as his)
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                            • Citizen X
                              Diamond Member

                              • Sep 2011
                              • 3411

                              #269
                              Originally posted by Dave A
                              I don't recall anyone taking you up on your challenge. Not even Chris himself!
                              (I really do suspect the one profile in this thread as his)
                              (the master mind one)
                              “Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm." Winston Churchill
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                              • Darkangelyaya
                                Silver Member

                                • Nov 2012
                                • 247

                                #270
                                He Lives



                                The official media version.

                                He may just have voted himself into presidency, after all, he can afford to do the Nkandla upkeep.. *Tsk* Sies *
                                ~Anything or anyone who does not bring you alive, is too small for you~ Carina
                                ~The moment you think you know it all, is the moment you know nothing~ Carina
                                twitter: @DarkAngelYaya - Blogger: The Common Garden Variety Goddess - darkangelcarina@gmail.com

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