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  • sterne.law@gmail.com
    Platinum Member

    • Oct 2009
    • 1332

    #1

    E-Tolling ban lifted

    Concourt rules that interdict can't stand.
    Court failed to consider separation of powers

    http://www.iol.co.za/motoring/indust...9#.UFr3O2ZhPLY
    Anthony Sterne

    www.acumenholdings.co.za
    DISCLAIMER The above is merely a comment in discussion form and an open public arena. It does not constitute a legal opinion or professional advice in any manner or form.
  • ians
    Diamond Member

    • Apr 2010
    • 3943

    #2
    I dont know what all the fuss is all about, big deal it gona cost the vaalies another R500 to travel to work and back, rather that than we all get nailed with petrol price increases. People say if you want to "make" money move to JHB, if you want a relaxed lifestyle live in Durbs by the sea. When the vaalies come to Durbs they sure as hell dont look like they are short of cash. the mines are good example, couple million lost in revenue, no big deal, it just means that the shareholders wont be buying an island this year, they will have to settle with a R10 million property on one of the Cape beaches unfortunately. Shame.
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    • tec0
      Diamond Member

      • Jun 2009
      • 4624

      #3
      Well privatising public roads and billions go missing every now and then yea... No problem there, will taxi contribute in saving our roads... No... See with this bull$h!t system they get to use the roads for free as public transport. So not only are we paying double because we do actually pay for our roads via licence registrations we start to see a little “why?” do we have to pay MORE because last time I saw files on TV that was blacked out almost completely...

      So what is the big deal? Exactly that... We do not know where the money will go...
      peace is a state of mind
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      • ians
        Diamond Member

        • Apr 2010
        • 3943

        #4
        Originally posted by tec0
        Well privatising public roads and billions go missing every now and then yea... No problem there, will taxi contribute in saving our roads... No... See with this bull$h!t system they get to use the roads for free as public transport. So not only are we paying double because we do actually pay for our roads via licence registrations we start to see a little “why?” do we have to pay MORE because last time I saw files on TV that was blacked out almost completely...

        So what is the big deal? Exactly that... We do not know where the money will go...
        Do you know where your tax money is going, the lotto money, etc, etc. Do you really think you are not going to end up sponsoring this whole fiasco in some form or another, be it fuel increases levies or whatever. I would rather the people in JHB pay for it than we all get lumped with the cost, we are not going to benifit from the new roads.
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        • Phil Cooper
          Gold Member

          • Nov 2010
          • 645

          #5
          You think other areas will not be affected?

          The suppliers will pay the tolls, and built it into their costs, which will be passed on to retailers, which will be passed on to consumers.

          So, you pay via petrol or retailer - all the same!

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          • Nickolai Naydenov
            Silver Member

            • Jan 2012
            • 305

            #6
            Agreed Phil. We are paying 50% fuel levies so think about this: fill up your car 60 liters of petrol at R12, that means that when you fill up you give our government R360, I fill up 6 times per month on average, now put that into perspective of how many billion does government collect from fuel every month and now we must pay for roads because few people pocketed large sums of money to make this happen and we have to pay for it? And all they do is keep increasing the government spending therefore looking for ways to collect more money in taxes and etc
            ---There is no traffic at the extra mile---

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            • ians
              Diamond Member

              • Apr 2010
              • 3943

              #7
              The bottom line is no matter how much we argue about this, we get screwed anyway you look at it.

              I thought i would rev the JHB fellas just the same.
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              • tec0
                Diamond Member

                • Jun 2009
                • 4624

                #8
                Originally posted by ians
                Do you know where your tax money is going, the lotto money, etc, etc. Do you really think you are not going to end up sponsoring this whole fiasco in some form or another, be it fuel increases levies or whatever. I would rather the people in JHB pay for it than we all get lumped with the cost, we are not going to benifit from the new roads.
                ians... ignorance is bliss... enjoy your weekend.
                peace is a state of mind
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                • ians
                  Diamond Member

                  • Apr 2010
                  • 3943

                  #9
                  Got lots planned for the weekend, fishing, craft markets and garden show, and some workshop time, got a new project to start.
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                  • Citizen X
                    Diamond Member

                    • Sep 2011
                    • 3411

                    #10
                    I think that all we seen from the Bill phase of etolling to the latest developments is a facade. A sharade meant to dupe the SA people into thinking that protracted debate took place, consultations were sufficient, the toll price per km is reasonable, and that South Africans want etolling!
                    Here the State should have seen its subjects dissatisfaction and just scrapped the whole idea.
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                    • Justloadit
                      Diamond Member

                      • Nov 2010
                      • 3518

                      #11
                      Hi Ians,

                      Don't think that KZN or theCape will not be affected.

                      As soon as Gautengaleng is in the E-Toll pocket, your area will be next. They will come and put up gantries, all in the name of improving the infrastructure. They did start in CT, but abandoned it when the Gautengalengers started their objections to this.

                      The last I heard is that most provinces want SANRAL to take over the road maintenance programs, which invariably means - e-tolling in your area.
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                      • Blurock
                        Diamond Member

                        • May 2010
                        • 4203

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Phil Cooper
                        You think other areas will not be affected?

                        The suppliers will pay the tolls, and built it into their costs, which will be passed on to retailers, which will be passed on to consumers.

                        So, you pay via petrol or retailer - all the same!
                        Well, at least the taxis will be paying some form of tax. They are currently exempt, yet they are the biggest cause of accidents and congestion on our roads.

                        Interesting comment by Pravin Gordhan;

                        By: Sapa
                        21st September 2012

                        "Theoretically, if the government wants to go and collect tolls tomorrow, it can go ahead and collect them, but that's not the issue," Gordhan told SAfm on Friday morning.
                        In line with Jacob Zuma's statement in parliament that they can do as they want. Minorities have no rights.
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                        • tshepochoma@gmail.com
                          Email problem
                          • Sep 2012
                          • 1

                          #13
                          E-TOLL is just another way of sucking our blood mean while the rich goes to bank...............

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                          • ians
                            Diamond Member

                            • Apr 2010
                            • 3943

                            #14
                            Which part of what was drummed into us in the old sandf was propagander?
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                            • tec0
                              Diamond Member

                              • Jun 2009
                              • 4624

                              #15
                              The rich will become richer and in the end the poor must provide, they always do. Fact is Taxis are looked at as public transport and yet for any minority it is a 50/50 chance in getting there safely or being mugged murdered. This has happened before.

                              I would rather pay more for my petrol then what I would pay for this e-toll crap. Now am I crazy? Consider this, with petrol prices increased the rich will still get their money but this time around everyone including the road abusing taxies gets to pay not just the public. Thus everyone must carry the burden and get angry at the supper elite.

                              In the end I fear that they will place an e-toll system on every single road you can think of I would be surprised if you don’t find them on dirt roads. And in the end petrol prices will still see an all time high.

                              It is time that the responsible majority wake up and consider if they actually still can afford to keep the supper elite in power.
                              peace is a state of mind
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