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  • Dave A
    Site Caretaker

    • May 2006
    • 22803

    #16
    Originally posted by league_of_ordinary_men
    Does this mean that I can't employee/recruit someone I like for another company or even a family member?
    At first glance it looks like you probably can hire someone that isn't on the list provided by DoL, and not even have to justify the decision except if the person you hire is a foreign national.

    As usual, the devil will be in the detail. At this point it's hard to say how things will settle in the end - it's just a bill, and there's a fair chance some aspects will change between now and the final result.
    Participation is voluntary.

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    • sterne.law@gmail.com
      Platinum Member

      • Oct 2009
      • 1332

      #17
      You don't have to employ someone from the data base.
      What you do have to do is inform the body of every vacancy and when you fill a vacancy, hence why I say it will improve the employment rate as government will need to employ a whack of people to keep data up-to-date.
      TES and recruitment companies will need to be registered.

      In summary it's a whole lot of paper work and data capturing with essentially 2 results/goals
      - make employment of foreigners more tight and better monitoring
      - give job seekers a data base. Theoretically it will match their skills to advertised vacancies, presumably sending them a note. No different from all the online systems, just covering all subtypes and levels.

      In short, lot of money and time with no real benefits that I can see.
      Anthony Sterne

      www.acumenholdings.co.za
      DISCLAIMER The above is merely a comment in discussion form and an open public arena. It does not constitute a legal opinion or professional advice in any manner or form.

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      • pmbguy
        Platinum Member

        • Apr 2013
        • 2095

        #18
        “The Bill also seeks to regulate, and to provide a licensing system, for what are referred to as private employment agencies”

        But then they say

        “One interpretation of these provisions is that they effectively abolish labour broking”.


        So which is it? Will labour brokers be banned or not?
        It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change. – Charles Darwin

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        • tec0
          Diamond Member

          • Jun 2009
          • 4624

          #19
          Here is the bill itself in PDF format. I just scanned trough it but will make a summery of it in the next week or so.

          Employment Services Bill.pdf
          peace is a state of mind
          Disclaimer: everything written by me can be considered as fictional.

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          • smithers
            Full Member

            • Sep 2012
            • 58

            #20
            why not make all your staff contractors to your business?

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            • Dave A
              Site Caretaker

              • May 2006
              • 22803

              #21
              Originally posted by smithers
              why not make all your staff contractors to your business?
              You'd probably have to ask these questions to asses the viability of that idea:
              Where do they work?
              Under what level of supervision?
              And what percentage of their income is from your business?
              Participation is voluntary.

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              • sterne.law@gmail.com
                Platinum Member

                • Oct 2009
                • 1332

                #22
                A contractor is free to operate on their own basis, example, they can send someone else to do the work, you will have limited control etc, etc. they would be allowed to do work for other people.
                Anthony Sterne

                www.acumenholdings.co.za
                DISCLAIMER The above is merely a comment in discussion form and an open public arena. It does not constitute a legal opinion or professional advice in any manner or form.

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                • wynn
                  Diamond Member

                  • Oct 2006
                  • 3338

                  #23
                  Two points:-

                  1. In the bad old days if you needed a gardener or maid you would have to apply at the labour department and they would give you a registered individual with the requisite 'Dompas' and criminal or political clearance.

                  2. It seems this is just a ploy to stop businesses from employing 'Zimbo's' or 'Mozzo's' instead of locals, same old registered individuals, and they say 'Apartheid' is dead, long live discrimination long live.
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