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[adrianh]

CAPE TOWN - The National Assembly on Tuesday passed the Employment Services Bill despite fierce criticism from opposition parties.

The Democratic Alliance (DA), Independent Democrats (ID) and Freedom Front Plus (FF+) raised objections.

The proposed law aims to boost employment with the creation of a state-run employment service to match job-seekers with work opportunities.

It will require companies to inform the Department of Labour about vacancies before posts are filled, making them liable for a R50,000 fine if they fail to do so.

Some opposition parties were highly critical of the bill during a debate in Parliament on Thursday.

DA MP Kenneth Mubu says it will not help create jobs and will put an extra burden on employers.

“The country cannot afford this bill. Instead, government must create conditions for job creation and allow the private recruitment agencies to find the right candidates to fill them.”

However, Parliament’s Portfolio Committee on Labour Chairperson Elleck Nchabeleng said the bill is a step forward.

“This bill, if signed into law, will go a long way in providing a structured approach to addressing unemployment in South Africa. It will also test the commitment of the private sector to work with government in their efforts to address unemployment.”
The bill will now go before the National Council of Provinces before President Jacob Zuma signs it into law.



http://ewn.co.za/2013/11/12/Parliame...-Services-Bill

This bill has many more nasty rules up its sleeve.

I think @HR needs to look into this bigtime!

[Blurock]

If they can employ criminals in senior police and security management positions, who do you think they will deploy in your business?

[adrianh]

...and I also think that whites will ever find employment again...

[tec0]

Considering the systems deployed to “scan possible employees” at the moment minorities don’t find work as is. Fact is and yes it was discussed in length that if you have any type of criminal record or other dyslexia or anything like that you are already out the door.

This system takes a second look at candidates that would have been dismissed outright so some will get a second chance to proof themselves. That said if you are told by government who you can and who you can’t employ then you are no longer a business then you are employed directly by government. And also we no longer have a democracy.

Despite my utter dislike of how labour scanning works this system if employed will be worse.

[IanF]

Surely this will work like an employment agency where they send you candidates and then you interview and decide who to employ? Just more red tape

[sterne.law@gmail.com]

Well it will create jobs.
If every post has to be 'advertised' via government, they will need to employ a whack of people.
Probably 500 000 jobs right there.

[adrianh]

Surely this will work like an employment agency where they send you candidates and then you interview and decide who to employ? Just more red tape

the problem is that you will probably have to declare your BEE status and you will not get to be too picky. What happens when you prefer female coloured women because they tend to work hard and be stable, now you get to choose whomever they decide is suitable irrespective of your more subtle needs.

[IanF]

I don't think they can force you to employ their candidate, you should still have the right to choose who is employed. Still I can see problems what if they insist you employ a white cleaner and only black cleaners apply?
It will be interesting how this plays out.

[adrianh]

What about if they only present you with 100 of their carefully chosen candidates!

[Justloadit]

Yep, and nepotism will be rife.
My family members get first crack at the job interview.
Talk about taking control for their own misuse

[IanF]

What happens if the employment office sends you someone with false credentials you use them as say a licensed truck driver and they kill a few people in the Pinetown intersection will they be liable?

[sterne.law@gmail.com]

http://www.bowman.co.za/eZines/Custom/Employment%5CEmploymentNewsletter%5CEmploymentServicesBill.html

[Dave A]

It must be about four years ago now when I was at an AgriSETA meeting where they were waxing lyrical about how China has these state employment centres in place. There was a clear interest in establishing something similar here.

My understanding of the system in China is the vacancy is listed and searchable, interested work seekers will have to express their interest, and the employer is able to view a list of applicants, together with cv's etc. Apparently it works quite well there - it helps employers find the best candidates available, and work seekers find jobs, even if it isn't in their immediate locale but they're prepared to relocate.

Ultimately its success in SA will come down to the way it is implemented. It wouldn't be the first time a successful program that works perfectly well somewhere else has been well and truly butchered and botched locally (the National Skills Development Strategy and SETA's being a case in point).

[league_of_ordinary_men]

Does this mean that I can't employee/recruit someone I like for another company or even a family member?

[adrianh]

After the incident I had with my local post office I have no hope left for this country. I went to collect a parcel address to my brand - yes, brand. Hy business is called Hillcraft and the brand Scalecraft. I have been going to the post office for 14 years and know the two local employees very well. Their kids went to primary school with mine. The BBE refuses to give me the parcel because I need to provide her with a company letterhead in the name of Scalecraft. I keep telling her that it is a brand and not a company and that I am happy to give her my ID. I also tell her that I've been going there for 14 years and that two others standing next to her can vouch for me. She goes on and on so I say ok, please tell me who sent the parcel so that I can tell them what is happening...no she says she can't do that either...So the parcel will sit there till it goes RTS and hopefully doesn't go to her house...

If this is the calibre of employee that the government is going to try and force on me then I am going to close my business and go to OZ...even Zim for that matter, at least I will work with a couple of intelligent people.

I am about to go to the post office right now with only a tracking number, I actually dread going because I have a feeling in my bones that I am going to totally strip my moer yet again whilst my 14 year long friends are forced to stand by and just shake their heads.