Valid COC?

**Sparks** · 29-Jun-11, 10:24 AM

I was hoping there is an ECA member in the Gauteng area with a contact number for someone there. Here is another sample:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27556811/100_2272.JPG

**murdock** · 02-Jul-11, 08:00 PM

what i have found...is if you contact the person who issed the coc directly they tend to get a bit of a spook when they know the coc is being investigated...he will either tell you to go fly a kite and laugh you off in which case then the fun begins or he comes to the party and admits wrong doing and fixes the problems.

this coc issue is gona be a long healing process and i cant see it getting fixed any time soon unless...as i have mentioned in the past...the person who is responsible for the policing of the industry..parked his bmw in the garage...switches off his facebook...bbs...and all the other apps...has his entertainment account cut back....and is threated with a jail sentence...because at the end of the day he is allowing public lives to be put at risk because of his shoudy work ethic.

what the public whos lives are being threatened... and electrical contractors should do...is take this person who is responsible for policing the industry to court and sue him for negligence...just like some people have done about the potholes in the roads.

it must be costing the public millions in losses due to negligence and fraud from illegal COCs...but i suppose we are lucky there are not enough deaths from electricution and only 90% + fires are caused by electrical faults to worry about policing the industry...or to motivate an investigation into the DOL head....eeeeish

**Sparks** · 29-Jun-11, 04:57 PM

Thank you Dave,

I just need to backtrack a bit now though. Murdock, I agree with you in some cases, not this one however. The underfloor heater is a fixed appliance and as such is required to have a dedicated circuit fed through the ELCB with either a double pole isolator or be fed through a socket outlet for isolating purposes. The socket outlet is not there to discount the heaters from the COC but rather as an alternative isolating mechanism. If the heaters are excluded, does it mean that the earthing mesh is also not required? Is the floor heater exempt from the regulations completely because an alternative "isolator" is being used?

**murdock** · 29-Jun-11, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Sparks

Thank you Dave,

I just need to backtrack a bit now though. Murdock, I agree with you in some cases, not this one however. The underfloor heater is a fixed appliance and as such is required to have a dedicated circuit fed through the ELCB with either a double pole isolator or be fed through a socket outlet for isolating purposes. The socket outlet is not there to discount the heaters from the COC but rather as an alternative isolating mechanism. If the heaters are excluded, does it mean that the earthing mesh is also not required? Is the floor heater exempt from the regulations completely because an alternative "isolator" is being used?

how do you know the under floor heating was installed before the COC was issued? you just never know...

something we must all remeber is maybe this person is not out to crook the system maybe this person just needs some help...pointed in the right direction...i still dont get this COC thing right every time i am lucky to have a very knowledgeable person who assists me when i need help...

after attending a refresher course at the eca i realised that this industry needs more teachers...and because of the amendments...refresher courses or a point system should be bought in to make sure we all keep up with the changes.

i for one would attend seminars or group meetings to discuss problems we are having in the industry and to address confusion with certain parts of the regulations...

**murdock** · 18-Jul-11, 09:24 PM

i agree with dave something just doesnt sound right...

**Sparks** · 18-Jul-11, 11:52 PM

I am as surprised as you guys. He is registered with ECB but not ECA unfortunately. He did agree last week to doing a proper inspection today, but did not show. When I called him he blew his top and said that I must go ahead and call the DOL. According to him the seller commisioned him to certify the house only, not the outbuildings.I find it very hard to believe that he is not prepared to rectify the situation without involving the DOL I am certain that he is from an industrial background and is now in deep water.

**murdock** · 13-Feb-12, 01:26 PM

look under definitions for cords and cables

**Sparks** · 29-Jun-11, 05:34 PM

This COC was issued after the house was sold before the new owner had access. I somehow doubt you will install underfloor heating after you have sold your house.

I have highlighted all the items I have an issue with.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27556811/P1.bmp
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27556811/P2.bmp
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27556811/P3.bmp
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27556811/P5.bmp

This guy does not know how to complete a COC
This COC is worth less than toilet paper.
At least toilet paper does not give paper cuts.(not what I use anyway)

**Sparks** · 02-Jul-11, 01:20 PM

I skyped him the numbers , but have not heard from him yet. He is doing some work at the new place before moving in, chopping down trees, painting, tiling etc... so he is not as much online as usual.

**murdock** · 02-Jul-11, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Sparks

I skyped him the numbers , but have not heard from him yet. He is doing some work at the new place before moving in, chopping down trees, painting, tiling etc... so he is not as much online as usual.

the person who issued the coc?