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    Most of the replies display an instinctive reluctance, on account of relative privilege, to accept what is now a reality. It is symptomatic of a deeper problem at the heart of which is our disunity, mainly racial, as a society.
    Come on, just view the miles and miles of shanty towns ... starting as you fly in at OR, Cape Town, East London ... So even if we are not THE MOST UNEQUAL society, we are in a pretty rotten state ... and that really is the point.
    See -http://coginito.blogspot.com/2010/12/pope-australians-japanese-all-said-it.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisNG53 View Post
    So even if we are not THE MOST UNEQUAL society
    Chris, I think you miss the point. There's no denying the poverty problem. But if the statement isn't founded in fact, you have to ask why it's being trotted out.

    A deliberate attempt at polarisation, perhaps?
    Where is the disunity coming from?

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    Well yes there is that side of the coin. But just ask yourself “Everything Considered” are we moving forwards or backwards?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tec0 View Post
    Well yes there is that side of the coin. But just ask yourself “Everything Considered” are we moving forwards or backwards?
    For some, yes. Obviously not for others.
    It's in my plans to do what I can to help others where the govt are failing. I know it's not my job, or my problem but can anyone honestly sit idly by while our fellow citizens are living in squalor?

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    No country is perfect and all of them have some problem or the other. SA currently has it better than most other countries. Of course there are issues and things will improve with time. I agree with DesA above that the Singapore model is quite good and it can be applied to a country like SA as well.

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    Nothing like giving your own blog as a citation. Hey Chris, you sure do waffle a lot on your blog. You go round and round in circles feeling sorry for yourself. You wanna say you're sorry, knock yourself out. There comes a time when saying sorry doesn't cut it anymore. Get over it, its done. My 9 & 11 year old daughters don't have to say sorry for being born white. I think that your views are very naive!

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    As regards your "shoot the messenger" response, I respectfully ask that you now go back to the blog and read the POST SCRIPT (since added). When you do, substitute the child mentioned for your own daughter.
    Naive??????

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    Shoot the messenger - Dude you are not the messenger, you are the author of the round about tripe written in the blog. - So no, I'm not shooting the messenger, I am shooting the author.

    You are naive if you think that the reason this lot are running around shooting people is because we don't go around saying sorry all the time.

    When you do, substitute the child mentioned for your own daughter
    This is not an intelligent argument to support your point. What does the last bit added to your blog have to do with running around saying sorry?

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    Ask yourself just one question – are you sorry? If you are, why have you not said it?
    When you discuss this with yourself … and others, pose this question and answer first. Then recall that the Pope has said sorry for the pedophile priests … for the Vatican looking the other way during the Holocaust. East Germany has said sorry to the Jews. Australia has done the same as regards the Aborigines. The US has said sorry to Native Americans. So have the Japanese as regards the Chinese. This list is long. If you are sorry, you say it.


    And what did the British say to the Afrikaner after the Boer War ? Killing thousands of women and children ? Nothing, Zip ! No TRC.
    No amount of "sorry" will change the situation. Try telling a criminal holding a gun against your head that you are "sorry" and see where that gets you.
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