The new electrical certificate of compliance

**murdock** · 19-Apr-10, 01:30 PM

paper paper paper paper....more trees and more trees and more trees not that that anyone really gives a sh#t about green house effects etc...but there is a thing called a computer with emails and printers and pdf printer for emailing etc etc

why on earth doesnt someone sit and computerise the coc so that we can use our cellpnones or laptops or like fluke and megger have done bought out software which collects all the data from the mutlifunction installation tester and transfers it to the computer.

**Dave A** · 19-Apr-10, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by murdock

paper paper paper paper....more trees and more trees and more trees

That's what bugs me the most. This new format makes scanning to keep an electronic record a real problem.

**murdock** · 20-Apr-10, 01:16 PM

i suppose when you call 031 3111 111 and ask basic questions...not technical questions and you first have to listen to hello in 9 official langauges
then get sent from person to person...and when you do get thru to the person who thinks they are the correct person to help you...you can understand why we are where we are in the electrical field...this being the supplier of electricty in durban...you can also understand why we have serious load shedding issues and power shortages.

i dont believe these people are as dumb as they make out to be...i think it is just to get you worked up.

the other day i got to a point where i decided to rather drive there and sort out the problem...while waiting the telephone just rang and rang...nobody answered it...so i got up and asked the 2 women who where sitting next to the telphone why they didnt answer the phone...their reply "we are busy with customers at the counter so we cant answer the telephone"... no comment

today again i had to deal with these people...i decided not to get worked up and gave all the details to the customer and told them to sort out their own problems with the durban electricity department 2 hours later i got a call back from the customer who apologised they didnt realise what i have to go thru every time have to deal with these people.

i believe this is management issue.

**bothajj2** · 26-May-12, 01:57 PM

Murdock, I've created an electronic CoC which is approved by the ECA and now they are using it to develop an online electronic CoC system.

**Rgee** · 26-Sep-12, 12:58 PM

there is a computerised pdf version available, it works great and you can mail it to the cliient with a signature, then you always have a copy of the coc. The Western Cape Inspection authority supply these at thee same cost with individual coc numbers

**Sparks** · 02-Jul-10, 01:44 PM

It all boils down to people who cannot think further than their noses...

*Balance removed as needlessly offensive*

**mikilianis** · 04-Jul-10, 06:46 PM

Now you are getting personal

**Sparks** · 05-Jul-10, 07:37 AM

It is personal. I am an Accredited Electrician and look what has been done to my industry. I go to bed knowing someone and their family are safe because of my effort. Look at what I must do to be legal, yet, the government makes matters worse rather than better. If that is not shortsited it must be stupidity. My COC is issued free of charge, the time spent inspecting premises is paid for whereafter a quote is submitted for the repairs required to bring the installation up to standard. The COC is certification that everything is compliant(broadly a gaurantee) how can this be charged for. Look how long it takes to complete the COC, not to mention entering all the data on the PC for record keeping. Why can we not get a editable printable document and do everything on the PC once and then just have a template for the installation details. We all have registration numbers. Why not use our registration numbers and add 6 digits which we can then consequently allocate to each COC we issue. I better stop now there is too much that is wrong.

**murdock** · 29-May-12, 07:01 AM

when you use a fluke 1653...all the results are recorded on a the meter which can be downloaded to a pda...ipad...laptop...etc then printed and i believe fluke and megger both have this facility...which i beleive all inspectors should be using...it proves that all the tests where actually done and at what time etc...i am sure you would find there will still be cheats...but you could monitor their results by the time between tests...the problem is a fluke 1653b for example...will set you back around R30 000...you want to stop all the fraud which is going on at the moment...half job inspections which are being done...this would be a step in the right direction.

**Leecatt** · 28-May-12, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by Dave A

OK. Which bright spark is responsible for designing the new electrical certificate of compliance?

Getting an A3 copier, printer or scanner is no big deal. Even dealing with the old one on an A4 machine wasn't that bad. This new amalgamated 3xA4 page deal is the pits.

Have you any idea what it costs for a machine that can handle these new ones? Assuming there might be such a beast

Hi Dave,
I photograph all faults found during an inspection, and again after repair, and they get kept in the customers personal folder on the PC.
I also photograph the eventual COC and keep that in the same folder.
I also have a inspection sheet which I keep in a hardcover file under the address.
Lots of records but who knows when it may be necessary to relate to it.