Stove isolator positioning.

[Derlyn]

6.16.3.1.2 a) Says switch-disconnector must be in same room c) preferably not above cooking appliance d)within 3m of the appliance if marked clearly, otherwise 0.5m distance
I prefer to put an isolator next to the stove, then you don't have to reach over the stove to switch it off.
I had also used 2 pole breakers for stoves in a classroom kitchen setup, the db was in the same classroom and there were no safe place to put the isolators on the flat island countertops
Hope this helps

On new installations it's easy to position the isolator to the side of the hob, however, on existing installations, it's sometimes not that simple to relocate isolators that are above the hob, especially when there's tiling involved.

[Thys LOW Elektries]

I have installed a plug in the cupboard to the left of the stove and cut a hole in the panel so that the plug can be plugged in on the left side. This is great for new installations, where you can plan it from the beginning. The rest of the time, there is an isolator at the top and a plug below the counter for the hob and oven, preferably Crabtree 16 Amp double.
Here by us most houses have a 25Amp point of supply from the council and if you are lucky a 30Amp or 40Amp supply. Most houses have gas stoves or gas hobs with built-in ovens, both need a plug to work from. We even have a couple of gas heaters that work from a 16Amp plug! What is wrong with 2 Eveready batteries?

[Derlyn]

Just a quick question regarding this stove isolator issue.

I have now once again received communication from a client that the gas gas guy is refusing to issue a gas certificate because the isolator is above the hob.

There is designer tiling involved.

Eight years ago when I last issued a coc for this installation, it was compliant.

As far as I know, the installation must be tested according to the regulations that were relevant at the time of construction or if any changes or additions are made then the regulations relevant at the time these changes were made should be adhered to.

Am I correct ?

Do the gas technicians follow the same approach and if not, my question is, what makes them unique ?

This installation was compliant 8 years ago and no changes have been made other than new gas regulations being introduced.

I was under the impression that a phasing in approach should be adopted when new regulations are introduced, but this doesn't seem to be the approach that the gas guys are taking. As far as they are concerned, every installation, irrespective of when it was installed must comply with the new regulations.

Why the difference in approach between the electrical and gas trades ?

It's driving me insane.

[Tradie]

Simple, is it non compliant, yes, steps must be taken to make it compliant, both electrical and gas. It is the customers responsibility to make sure it is safe. Issue a danger notice and a quote to make it complaint (CYA).

[Derlyn]

My question was

Why the difference in approach between the gas and electrical inspections ?

Any idea ?

[GCE]

Simple, is it non compliant, yes, steps must be taken to make it compliant, both electrical and gas. It is the customers responsibility to make sure it is safe. Issue a danger notice and a quote to make it complaint (CYA).

Agree and disagree

In electrical it is based on the date of installation as to which regulation is applicable - In Gas guys eyes it will mean everything changing to present regulations .Gas guys also struggle to understand that what is written is the reg the pic is for illustration not the actual reg

If we read the regulation as written in there code (pasted below)

" electrical equipment shall be at least 200mm horizontally from the edge of the closest burner or at least 1,5m measured from the floor.If a heat deflector is installed above the burner ,such as a cooker hood, the electrical point can be installed above or behind the heat deflector"

If you read that as it is written then it means I can install electrical equipment anywhere as long as it is 1,5m above floor level - So they need to accept the isolator that is above the burner as long as it is 1,5m above floor level

So the change has actually brought it back to where it should be - I will be surprised if the gas guys actually read it like that

There picture makes it look like 15m from the floor - A kitchen counter is around 1 to 1,2m from floor depending and top cupboards at around 1,7m to 1,9m depending

[GCE]

My question was

Why the difference in approach between the gas and electrical inspections ?

Any idea ?

As far as I am aware ECA were talking to gas guys - Meant to come back earlier in the thread with what suddenly clicked with the 1,5m as I posted above
The gas concern is only because gas drops which does not have any effect on electrical equipment above the hob. Still mind blowing that they don't mind and electric oven below but not a socket